2013 - AAG 40 League

[Eqqman]

@Cow:

yeah I am not from here so I did not know you can bid for countries not at war. Seems kind of off.

I’m not really sure that is so much of a problem.  If you allow your opponent to have such a high bid that they can even consider getting a bomber, you have to start to expect stuff like this.

I’ve never heard anybody mention not at war as a restriction before.  That seems somewhat unfair as then the bid for the Allies can only go to UK-Europe or China.  Well, or France, but I’m not sure what you could do with a French bid that wouldn’t be better accomplished via somebody else.  I suppose if you took a +6 bid and placed Inf in Morocco and Algeria you could consolidate and hang on in North Africa one turn or two longer.

[Zhukov44]

So what are the “standard bid placement rules” exactly?

On TripleA the standard is only place 1 unit per territory.  Also widely practiced, but not necessarily mandated, is only place units in territories that already have units.

But then again in past league games I’ve seen placements of 3-4 land units in Egypt…  So is placing several units in one territory technically ok in league play or not?

[wheatbeer]

@Eggman:

can only go to UK-Europe or China. Well, or France

UK-Pacific is only a separate economy, not a separate political entity.  The UK begin the game at war with Germany and Italy on both sides of the map.  ANZAC likewise begins the game at war with Germany and Italy.

I never heard of an at war restriction either. Either way, I agree that this should all be spelled out clearly.

[Jeff28]

My understanding…

Land units in a territory you own (can be empty), stack as many as you want.

Sea units where there is already a unit, stack as many as you want.

[666]

4b - Bidding - You will be bidding for the Allies.
An Auction style of bidding will be used.  Players may announce their desired bid in IPCs while trying to find an opponent.  Any player can accept the bid or attempt to negotiate the bid up or down until an agreement is reached.  The ipcs can then be spent on units (full placement) or used for IPCs.  If both players bid the same (or cannot agree on a bid) the sides are chosen by a random in-house dice roll.

4c - Bid Placements - Bids can be placed all in one territory, spread out over multiple territories, or taken in IPCs to one country or split between multiple countries.
Land bids must be placed in a territory which you own at the beginning of the game but are restricted to units of that countries nationality. 
Examples for clarification -
A - UK can bid units to Egy.  Russia/US cannot.
B - UK can bid units to Bor/Sum.  Russia/US cannot.
C - US/UK/Rus cannot bid units to any Chinese territory.  Only Chinese units can be placed there.
Naval Bids must be placed in a seazone which already contains at least one unit and are restricted to that countries nationality.
Examples for clarification -
A - Russia can only bit naval units to sz 4.
B - UK can bid units to sz 12.  Russia/US cannot.
C - US can bid units to sz 50.  Russia/UK cannot.
You can bid for Industrial Complexes.  Placement (of newly purchased units) may take place immediately in the placement phase of Round 1.  The new IC will be limited by the IPC total of the territory on which it is placed and all other standard IC rules apply.

[gamerman01]

@JWW:

Examples for clarification -
A - Russia can only bit naval units to sz 4.

This could confuse people.  Russia also has naval units in 115, so could bid units there too.

[gamerman01]

Looks good, JWW.  Also looks familiar.  That’s probably buried in this thread somewhere, right?

So can you or some moderator please append that text you just posted to the original post, in #4?  Then people (including newcomers) can see all the league rules properly on the first post.

[Eqqman]

@JWW:

You can bid for Industrial Complexes.  Placement (of newly purchased units) may take place immediately in the placement phase of Round 1.  The new IC will be limited by the IPC total of the territory on which it is placed and all other standard IC rules apply.

This rule sounds like it needs to be updated to reflect the new changes in how ICs work for 2e.  Otherwise this implies that a minor IC bid in Egypt for example will only ever produce 2 units a turn instead of the 3 you would expect.

[gamerman01]

Good point.  That’s not even a change of 2nd edition, it’s been that way since the original 2010 OOB P40 and E40…

Whatever, who’s ever going to get a bid of 12 and place an IC?

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

Good point.  That’s not even a change of 2nd edition, it’s been that way since the original 2010 OOB P40 and E40…

Whatever, who’s ever going to get a bid of 12 and place an IC?

i would…  :-o

[Jeff28]

I mean, egypt could be attractive as would queensland

[gamerman01]

No way that beats placing 4 infantry, or a boat or plane somewhere that makes a first round attack a lot more difficult.

I knew it wouldn’t take long for ppl to argue with that assertion!  :lol:

[gamerman01]

Like Cow said - wouldn’t you rather have 4 infantry in Yunnan, or on London?  That would take Sealion out of the picture and the UK can have a field day with Italy…

WAY more important than an IC in Egypt or Queensland, dudes.

[Eqqman]

@Gamerman01:

Like Cow said - wouldn’t you rather have 4 infantry in Yunnan, or on London?  That would take Sealion out of the picture and the UK can have a field day with Italy…

If you are allowed to stack units in the same territory for a bid, then it is 6-of-1.  There’s no difference for the UK using bid Infantry in London and buying the IC or starting with a bid IC and buying Infantry.  But at +12 you are probably not going to make the IC, not because it is a poor idea in and of itself, but because you have so many other options.

[gamerman01]

You’re overlooking something.  Production limits.

If you add 4 infantry to London, it’s possible to be +13 infantry at the end of UK1 on London.  You can’t be +13 infantry if you take an IC on Egypt for the bid - you can only be +9 which is no better than if you had no bid at all, for defending Sealion.

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

No way that beats placing 4 infantry, or a boat or plane somewhere that makes a first round attack a lot more difficult.

I knew it wouldn’t take long for ppl to argue with that assertion!  :lol:

:wink:

:lol:

now the real question is, how many infantry at bid time are equivalent to an IC bid?

[Jeff28]

But you could build 3 inf in Egy and fly the gib fighter home.

–Jeff

[gamerman01]

@Jeff28:

But you could build 3 inf in Egy and fly the gib fighter home.

–Jeff

This isn’t the right thread for this discussion.  I know I contributed to the off-topic talk, so I will point out that we should stop discussing shrewd 12 IPC bid placements in this place.  :-)

[Major Major]

not the place, but I would consider a no more than 1 piece in any one location an improvement to the bid structure.

[gamerman01]

Actually, infrastructure, this is the place for that, because you’re suggesting an improvement for next year’s league.

I like that idea a lot, fwiw