BotA U-505 vs. Pug

[U-505]

@pug6000:

@U-505:

Sweden seems the type of country that has the sole purpose of tying up enemy resources to help it’s allies instead of being offensive for it’s own sake.

Most think so, but they are wrong. I think I won 50% of my games because they underestimated Swedens power. But it depends on the overall strategy.
Some coalitions go against Sweden first. In that case Sweden has no chance at all. But if France is stronger inside Germany, Sweden can slowly build a large army and become an important power. Think of your Swedish stack in Jutland, just larger and with some pressure on Prussia from France.

@Veqryn:

sweden actually starts with a very high TUV, higher than a lot of other powers

the only problem is that russia can kill about a quarter of it without much trouble (though it does mean russia has to commit almost all it has to the job), and the rest is stuck in jutland

as long as uk doesn’t gun for it, sweden can become quite big, and often result in the fall of prussia

The problem was that I started out assuming that Finland could be held without running any sims to check my assumption for accuracy and I built an encampment on the first turn. If I had opened with an all naval purchase I could have controlled the Baltic earlier and I might have been able to rescue some of the more expensive units from destruction.

I recovered somewhat, but it put Sweden in a hole early.

[pug6000]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :19

Combat Move - UnitedKingdom
            1 Frigate moved from SZ57 to SZ60
            1 Cutter moved from SZ60 to SZ57
            1 Cutter moved from SZ60 to SZ58
            2 Cutters and 2 Frigates moved from SZ69 to SZ60
            1 Fusiliers, 1 General and 2 Mariness moved from Highland to Scotland
            1 Corvette moved from SZ17 to SZ19
                  UnitedKingdom take SZ19 from Sweden
            1 Cutter moved from SZ17 to SZ22

Purchase Units - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom buy 2 Battleships, 2 Fortresss and 2 Mortella_Towers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - UnitedKingdom

Non Combat Move - UnitedKingdom

Place Units - UnitedKingdom
            2 Mortella_Towers placed in Rome
            2 Fortresss placed in Majorca
            2 Battleships placed in SZ63

Turn Complete - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom collect 48 PUs; end with 48 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: UnitedKingdom met a national objective for an additional -4 PUs; end with 44 PUs

Territory Summary for UnitedKingdom :

SZ61 : 1 flag
    Scotland : 1 flag, 1 Fortress, 1 Fusiliers, 1 General and 2 Mariness
    Corsica : 1 flag, 1 Encampment
    SZ63 : 1 flag, 2 Battleships
    Majorca : 1 flag, 1 Encampment, 2 Fortresss and 3 Mariness
    SZ17 : 1 flag, 2 Barques, 3 Battleships, 8 Brigantines, 12 Cutters and 1 Frigate
    Sicily : 1 flag
    Essex : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 4 Fusilierss and 5 Mortella_Towers
    Rome : 1 flag, 1 Encampment, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Horse_Artillery and 4 Mortella_Towers
    Connaught : 1 flag
    South Wales : 1 flag, 1 Mortella_Tower
    SZ19 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette
    SZ60 : 1 flag, 5 Battleships, 7 Brigantines, 9 Cutters and 5 Frigates
    SZ57 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    SZ58 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    Oxfordshire : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons and 2 Fusilierss
    SZ22 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    Eturia : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 57 / 51
    UnitedKingdom : 48 / 44
    Spain : 44 / 37
    KingdomOfPrussia : 28 / 31
    Sweden : 19 / 25
    AustrianEmpire : 39 / 42
    OttomanEmpire : 33 / 41
    Russia : 53 / 53

[U-505]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :19

Combat Move - Spain
            1 Fusiliers moved from Estremadura to Algarve
                  Spain take Algarve from KingdomOfPrussia

Purchase Units - Spain
            Spain buy 2 Corvettes, 1 Frigate and 1 Fusiliers; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat - Spain

Non Combat Move - Spain
            1 Barque, 2 Battleships, 5 Brigantines, 5 Corvettes, 13 Cutters and 5 Frigates moved from SZ56 to SZ54
            1 General moved from Valencia to SZ56
            1 Barque and 1 General moved from SZ56 to SZ54
            1 General moved from SZ54 to Tangiers
            1 General moved from Tangiers to West Sahara
            1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars moved from El Erg to Atlas
            1 Chasseurs, 2 Fusilierss and 3 Mariness moved from Valencia to New Castille
            1 Cuirassiers and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Leon to New Castille
            2 Dragoonss moved from Catalonia to New Castille

Place Units - Spain
            1 Fusiliers placed in New Castille
            1 Frigate placed in SZ53
            1 Corvette placed in SZ54
            Spain undo move 2.
            1 Frigate placed in SZ54
            1 Corvette placed in SZ51

Turn Complete - Spain
            Spain collect 45 PUs; end with 48 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: Spain met a national objective for an additional -10 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Territory Summary for Spain :

Sardinia : 1 flag, 2 Fortresss and 3 Mortella_Towers
    El Erg : 1 flag
    Tangiers : 1 flag, 1 General
    Algarve : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Oran : 1 flag
    Oporto : 1 flag
    SZ51 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette
    Atlas : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars
    SZ54 : 1 flag, 2 Barques, 2 Battleships, 5 Brigantines, 7 Corvettes, 14 Cutters and 6 Frigates
    West Sahara : 1 flag, 1 General
    Algeria : 1 flag
    Areg : 1 flag
    New Castille : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 2 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 3 Mariness and 20 Mortella_Towers

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 57 / 51
    UnitedKingdom : 48 / 44
    Spain : 45 / 38
    KingdomOfPrussia : 27 / 31
    Sweden : 19 / 25
    AustrianEmpire : 39 / 42
    OttomanEmpire : 33 / 41
    Russia : 53 / 53

[pug6000]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :19

Combat Move - KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Cutter moved from SZ7 to SZ9
            1 Brigantine and 1 Frigate moved from SZ6 to SZ9
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Andalusia to Murcia
                  KingdomOfPrussia take Murcia from Spain
            1 Dragoons and 4 Horse_Artillerys moved from Andalusia to La Mancha
                  KingdomOfPrussia take La Mancha from Spain
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Hesse to Hanovre
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Magdeburg to Hanovre
            1 Fusiliers moved from Pomerania to Mecklenburg
            2 Horse_Artillerys moved from Prussia to Mecklenburg
            3 Chasseurss and 1 Fusiliers moved from Brandenburg to Mecklenburg
            1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Hussars moved from Brandenburg to Hanovre
            2 Fusilierss moved from Magdeburg to Hesse
            1 Dragoons moved from Magdeburg to Hanovre
            12 Dragoonss moved from Hesse to Hanovre
            1 Fusiliers moved from Hesse to Rhine
            2 Chasseurss and 17 Fusilierss moved from Hesse to Cologne

Purchase Units - KingdomOfPrussia
            KingdomOfPrussia buy 1 Barque, 3 Horse_Artillerys and 2 Hussarss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - KingdomOfPrussia
            Battle in Mecklenburg
                KingdomOfPrussia attack with 3 Chasseurss, 2 Fusilierss and 2 Horse_Artillerys
                Sweden defend with 2 Fusilierss
                    KingdomOfPrussia roll dice for 3 Chasseurss, 2 Fusilierss and 2 Horse_Artillerys in Mecklenburg, round 1 :  2/1 hits
                    Sweden roll dice for 2 Fusilierss in Mecklenburg, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    2 Fusilierss owned by the Sweden lost in Mecklenburg
                KingdomOfPrussia win, taking Mecklenburg from Sweden with 3 Chasseurss, 2 Fusilierss and 2 Horse_Artillerys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Sweden: 2 Fusilierss
            Battle in Cologne
                KingdomOfPrussia attack with 2 Chasseurss and 17 Fusilierss
                France defend with 1 Hussars
                    KingdomOfPrussia roll dice for 2 Chasseurss and 17 Fusilierss in Cologne, round 1 :  3/1 hits
                    France roll dice for 1 Hussars in Cologne, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Hussars owned by the France lost in Cologne
                KingdomOfPrussia win, taking Cologne from France with 2 Chasseurss and 17 Fusilierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for France: 1 Hussars
            Battle in Hanovre
                KingdomOfPrussia attack with 2 Cuirassierss, 13 Dragoonss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Hussars
                France defend with 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer
                    KingdomOfPrussia roll dice for 2 Cuirassierss, 13 Dragoonss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Hussars in Hanovre, round 1 :  6/1 hits
                    France roll dice for 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer in Hanovre, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Howitzer owned by the France , 1 Hussars owned by the KingdomOfPrussia and 3 Fusilierss owned by the France lost in Hanovre
                KingdomOfPrussia win, taking Hanovre from France with 2 Cuirassierss, 13 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for France: 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Hussars

Non Combat Move - KingdomOfPrussia
            1 General moved from Brandenburg to Pomerania

Place Units - KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Barque placed in SZ9
            2 Horse_Artillerys placed in Pomerania
            1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Hussarss placed in Prussia

Turn Complete - KingdomOfPrussia
            KingdomOfPrussia collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs total

Territory Summary for KingdomOfPrussia :

Brandenburg : 1 flag, 1 Fortress
    La Mancha : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons and 4 Horse_Artillerys
    SZ9 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Brigantine, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate
    Pomerania : 1 flag, 1 General and 2 Horse_Artillerys
    Murcia : 1 flag, 1 Horse_Artillery
    Hesse : 1 flag, 2 Fusilierss
    Cologne : 1 flag, 2 Chasseurss and 17 Fusilierss
    Prussia : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 1 Horse_Artillery, 2 Hussarss and 14 Mortella_Towers
    Mecklenburg : 1 flag, 3 Chasseurss, 2 Fusilierss and 2 Horse_Artillerys
    Rhine : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Hanovre : 1 flag, 2 Cuirassierss, 13 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 52 / 51
    UnitedKingdom : 51 / 44
    Spain : 43 / 38
    KingdomOfPrussia : 33 / 33
    Sweden : 17 / 25
    AustrianEmpire : 39 / 42
    OttomanEmpire : 33 / 41
    Russia : 53 / 53

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 1 times
            2 was rolled 3 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 2,667
        Median : 2,000
        Variance : 1,200
        Standard Deviation : 1,095
        Total rolls : 6

France Combat
            2 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 2,000
        Median : 2,000
        Variance : 4,000
        Standard Deviation : 2,000
        Total rolls : 2

KingdomOfPrussia Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            2 was rolled 1 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 2,000
        Median : 2,000
        Variance : 1,500
        Standard Deviation : 1,225
        Total rolls : 3

Sweden Combat
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 6,000
        Median : 6,000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

[pug6000]

I have a deja vu  :-D It was the beginning of a long and wonderful journey.

[Veqryn]

pug, u505,

i am curious if there are any balancing changes i should make to napoleonic for the next version

let me know,
thx

[pug6000]

@Veqryn:

pug, u505,

i am curious if there are any balancing changes i should make to napoleonic for the next version

let me know,
thx

An additional fortress to Vienna. And yes, I am serious about it, though I am winning with the Coalition. I can demonstrate it to you anytime you want.

I learned a lot about Ottomans and UK this game. But I need to put that knowledge into a strategy before I will judge it.

Pug

[lexgreat]

I am also very interested in both your insights and comments. We are in round 23 ourselves, with a virtually certain Coalition win. It seems, though, that both sides are very well matched, with only very few suggestions for balance.

[Veqryn]

u505 back yet?

[Veqryn]

2nd to last call for u505……