@CWO:
@wittmann:
Well spotted again Marc.
Thanks for the identification info, gentlemen.
The ANZAC cruiser difference was actually first spotted by someone else (I can’t recall who) in another thread about a week ago, so the credit should go to this eagle-eyed individual.
Glad to hear your copy has arrived, Wittmann!
I think I was the one who first mentioned that the ANZAC cruiser looked different from the UK cruiser, even though the rulebook says they are the same.
The rulebook also calls the UK cruiser “Kent”, but I thought the HMS Kent was in the County class of cruisers.
So both the ANZAC and UK cruisers are Kent class or County class, but are still different? Now I’m really confused.
By the way, what does everyone think about the new Italian Anti Aircraft Artillery? I think it looks really cool, but kind of big with that base. It’s going to be hard to put 2 of them on Southern Italy along with a Minor IC, air base, naval base, 2 fighters and 6 infantry, even with chips.
I think I was the one who first mentioned that the ANZAC cruiser looked different from the UK cruiser, even though the rulebook says they are the same.
The rulebook also calls the UK cruiser “Kent”, but I thought the HMS Kent was in the County class of cruisers.
So both the ANZAC and UK cruisers are Kent class or County class, but are still different? Now I’m really confused.
I checked my reference books last weekend and here’s what I found. The County class cruisers were produced in two groups, the first group being (a bit confusingly) sometimes known as the Kent class. Two ships within the first group (Australian and Melbourne) were built for Australia, and were completed with slight modifications compared to their Royal Navy sisters. So in effect there were three variants of this class: the RN ships from the first group, the RAN ships from the first group, and the all-RN ships of the second group.
The rulebook also calls the UK cruiser “Kent”, but I thought the HMS Kent was in the County class of cruisers.
So both the ANZAC and UK cruisers are Kent class or County class, but are still different? Now I’m really confused.
As Krieghund stated, it is the “Australian version” of the Kent sub-class of the County class. This is what HMAS Canberra is (see page 2 photo). I think the important part here is that we have identified the class, for those who are particular about that sort of thing, and even provided a real life picture of it.
The point is that the UK and Anzac cruiser sculpts are clearly, visually different, and based on a historical example. I don’t think there can possibly be any more clarification.
@CWO:
Two ships within the first group (Australian and Melbourne)
Just to correct myself here, I meant to type Australia and Canberra, not Australian and Melbourne.
Well done.
By the way knp: thanks for rubbing it my face about Italy’s sculpts!
Joking, of course, but still cannot find a Europe 40 for sale in England, so have not got my filthy wop mits on them. A little annoying.
Wonder if it is a European problem!
Thought most of the AA units were a little too big.
@wittmann:
Wonder if it is a European problem!
It’s ironic that the Europe game is so hard to find in Europe. Unless perhaps the problem is confined to Britain for some reason (maybe something along the lines of that proverbial British newspeper headline “Heavy fog in Channel; Continent cut off”).
Unfortunately we have a tunnel connecting us to Europe, so we can no longer hold off the hoardes.
Off to Florence on the 7th, so am less bothered now. Will look again when I am back on the 14th.
Gentlemen,
Did any other scuplts change in the Pacific 1940 Second Edition besides the ones mentioned already? My copy is scheduled to arrive on Tuesday this week.
WARRIOR888
Did any other scuplts change in the Pacific 1940 Second Edition besides the ones mentioned already? My copy is scheduled to arrive on Tuesday this week.
The Russian AAA gun change is the only one I’ve caught so far, but I’m still in the process of reorganizing my sculpt inventory and I’m not yet at the stage where I’ve looked at each old-versus-new pairing closely to see if they can go in the same tackle box storage compartments. I just happened to notice the Russian AAA gun because it’s a new sculpt category, introduced only a couple of months ago in the 1942 game. Last evening I also had a quick look at the US and UK AAA guns from 1942 and 1940, but those ones seemed identical.
Did the British Lancasters change?
If I recall correctly, the ones in A&A '41 (2012) are a different mold than any previous. I didn’t know if these were used in G40 (2nd Ed.) too.
A&A '42 (2012) supposely uses a Handley-Page Halifax, but I thought that all previous UK strategic bombers were Lancasters.
A&A '42 (2012) supposely uses a Handley-Page Halifax, but I thought that all previous UK strategic bombers were Lancasters.
It’s the other way around. The standard A&A British bomber has always been the Halifax. The Lanc is a one-off special in the 1941 game.
The Lancaster is in 1941.
Far as I can see original Bombers have always been the Halifax.
You and me Marc. One day!
Funny how makers did not choose Lancaster for UK: it symbolises Bomber Command for most people. And are still some flying!
@wittmann:
Funny how makers did not choose Lancaster for UK: it symbolises Bomber Command for most people. And are still some flying!
It’s not alone in the odd-choice category. The US carrier sculpt has always been the Wasp, a one-ship class whose design was severely compromised by the fact that the US had very little unused construction tonnage left in its treaty allocation after it had spent most of it on some more capable carriers. It was under-powered (and under-everything-elsed, as I recall), and I don’t think its combat record was particularly notable. I’d have picked the Enterprise as an early war design or the Essex as a later one.
@wittmann:
You and me Marc. One day!
Funny how makers did not choose Lancaster for UK: it symbolises Bomber Command for most people. And are still some flying!
Couldn’t have said it better.
@CWO:
@wittmann:
Funny how makers did not choose Lancaster for UK: it symbolises Bomber Command for most people. And are still some flying!
It’s not alone in the odd-choice category. The US carrier sculpt has always been the Wasp, a one-ship class whose design was severely compromised by the fact that the US had very little unused construction tonnage left in its treaty allocation after it had spent most of it on some more capable carriers. It was under-powered (and under-everything-elsed, as I recall), and I don’t think its combat record was particularly notable. I’d have picked the Enterprise as an early war design or the Essex as a later one.
Yes, I noted that same issue in the “if you could choose one new sculpt thread…”
Same goes for the P-38.
Gentlemen,
I agree they should have chosen the Essex or Enterprise for the US carrier. I am toying with modifying some of the Wasps into Essex class carriers by simply adding a new flight deck using old credit cards to the exsisting flight decks. Till FMG or HBG comes out with an Essex it will have to do.
If this works I will post a picture ot two.
P-38 was used in all theatres of the war, but they could have given us a real carrier fighter such as the Hell Cat or Corsair instead for use in carrier operations.
WARRIOR888
they could have given us a real carrier fighter such as the Hell Cat or Corsair instead for use in carrier operations.
Fortunately they did give us an F6F Hellcat fighter in the original Pacific game and in Guadalcanal, but sadly in no other game since then.
P-38 was used in all theatres of the war
Used in all theaters yes, but when you think of the prototypical or generic American fighter of WWII, do you immediately think of the P-38? I doubt it.
That is how I rationalize choosing a particular class of vehicle as a sculpt: how popular, iconic or representative it was. P-38 may win in some respects as representative, but I do believe most people think of a single fuselage aircraft such as the P-51, F6F or even P-40 before they think of the P-38.
I think they got it right with choosing the B-17… I think that is what almost everyone sees when they here WWII American bomber.
Just sayin…
