Wheatbeer (Allies +6) vs Alex (Axis), G40 Final Alpha

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :13

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 artilleries placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 artilleries

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 52 / 72
    Russians : 9 / 21
    Japanese : 73 / 78
    Americans : 53 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 7
    British : 34 / 39
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 6
    Italians : 24 / 25
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[lexgreat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :13

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 armour and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Rostov to Tambov
            1 bomber moved from Rostov to Tambov
            1 mech_infantry moved from Smolensk to Tambov

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Tambov
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tambov, round 1 :  3/5 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Tambov
                Italians win, taking Tambov from Russians with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Tambov to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Tambov to Caucasus
            1 bomber moved from Tambov to Caucasus
            3 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Archangel to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Archangel to Caucasus
            1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Rostov
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bessarabia to Rostov
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bessarabia to Rostov

Place Units - Italians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Caucasus
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 25 PUs; end with 26 PUs total

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :13

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 harbour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Australia to 56 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Sumatra

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 destroyer moved from 56 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 56 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            2 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
            2 fighters moved from Burma to India

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 harbour placed in New Guinea
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 16 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 52 / 72
    Russians : 8 / 21
    Japanese : 69 / 78
    Americans : 53 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 7
    British : 34 / 39
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 6
    Italians : 25 / 26
    ANZAC : 14 / 21
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :13

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq

Turn Complete - French

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 52 / 72
    Russians : 8 / 21
    Japanese : 69 / 78
    Americans : 53 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 7
    British : 34 / 39
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 6
    Italians : 25 / 26
    ANZAC : 14 / 21
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[lexgreat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :14

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 5 armour, 1 carrier, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Russia
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Russia
            4 bombers moved from Romania to Russia
            1 bomber moved from Rostov to Russia
            3 fighters moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Novgorod to Russia
            19 armour, 10 artilleries, 6 fighters, 15 infantry, 37 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Archangel to Russia
            9 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Russia
            3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Russia

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Russia
                Germans attack with 33 armour, 10 artilleries, 7 bombers, 10 fighters, 15 infantry, 45 mech_infantrys and 7 tactical_bombers
                French defend with 1 fighter; British defend with 13 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber; Russians defend with 4 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 87 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Americans defend with 1 fighter
                    AA guns fire in Russia :  2/12 hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 33 armour, 10 artilleries, 7 bombers, 8 fighters, 15 infantry, 45 mech_infantrys and 7 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 1 :  52/125 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 4 aaGuns, 2 armour, 8 artilleries, 17 fighters, 87 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 1 :  42/116 hits
                    48 infantry owned by the Russians , 15 infantry owned by the Germans , 27 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 4 aaGuns owned by the Russians lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 33 armour, 10 artilleries, 7 bombers, 8 fighters, 18 mech_infantrys and 7 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 2 :  38/83 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 8 artilleries, 17 fighters, 39 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 2 :  34/68 hits
                    38 infantry owned by the Russians , 6 armour owned by the Germans , 10 artilleries owned by the Germans and 18 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 27 armour, 7 bombers, 8 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 3 :  28/49 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 8 artilleries, 17 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 3 :  16/30 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians , 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Russians , 1 tactical_bomber owned by the British , 1 fighter owned by the Americans , 2 armour owned by the Russians , 16 armour owned by the Germans , 8 artilleries owned by the Russians , 2 fighters owned by the Russians , 11 fighters owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the French lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 11 armour, 7 bombers, 8 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 4 :  23/33 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters in Russia, round 4 :  2/2 hits
                    2 armour owned by the Germans and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in Russia
                Germans captures 21PUs while taking Russians capital
                Germans converts factory_major into different units
                Germans win, taking Russia from Russians with 9 armour, 7 bombers, 8 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 88
                Casualties for Germans: 24 armour, 10 artilleries, 2 fighters, 15 infantry and 45 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for French: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 13 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Russians: 4 aaGuns, 2 armour, 8 artilleries, 2 fighters, 87 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 aaGun moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            2 armour, 3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to 127 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to 127 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 127 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 126 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from 126 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 destroyer moved from 125 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Ukraine
            6 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy

Place Units - Germans
            1 factory_minor placed in Yugoslavia
            1 carrier placed in 127 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in 127 Sea Zone
            3 armour placed in Volgograd
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Romania

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1
            Germans collect 54 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 75 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 85 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 100 PUs

[lexgreat]

did not look closely at the math, but feels like it went very well. I honestly forgot with what I should have come out. Certainly costly, but I guess that those 14 UK air will not be replaced easily.

[wheatbeer]

With pure luck, on average it should have cost Germany very slightly more than it cost the Allies, so it was pretty good for the Axis (though not exceptionally unlikely).

If it were low luck, Germany would end with 1 tank (or need to kill a fighter so that 1 tank survived to sack).

[lexgreat]

your AA guns did ok this time, but not exactly compensated for previous misery….unlucky with Russia throughout.

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :14

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq

Turn Complete - Russians

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 55 / 100
    Russians : 5 / 0
    Japanese : 69 / 78
    Americans : 53 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 7
    British : 34 / 39
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 6
    Italians : 25 / 26
    ANZAC : 14 / 21
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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[lexgreat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :14

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 aaGun, 3 fighters, 7 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Shan State to Sumatra
            1 fighter moved from Shan State to 41 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 destroyer moved from 44 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers and 2 submarines moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 battleships, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 submarines and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Manchuria to Siberia
                  Japanese take Siberia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
                  Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 armour moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 mech_infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
            1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Kazakhstan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 4 fighters and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 45 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 4 fighters in 45 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 45 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 4 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Sumatra
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                ANZAC defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the ANZAC , 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the ANZAC lost in Sumatra
                Japanese win, taking Sumatra from ANZAC with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter moved from Kwangtung to 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Sumatra to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from Shan State to Anhwe
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Anhwe
            1 fighter moved from Shan State to Anhwe
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
            1 aaGun moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 aaGun moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan

Place Units - Japanese
            1 aaGun, 3 fighters and 6 infantry placed in Japan
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Yunnan: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangtung: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 20 Sea Zone: 2 battleships, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 7 fighters, 6 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 35 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 35 Sea Zone: 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 35 Sea Zone: 2 battleships, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 6 submarines and 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 2 battleships, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 7 fighters, 6 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 20 Sea Zone: 2 battleships, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 7 fighters, 6 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 20 Sea Zone: 7 carriers
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 21 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 35 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 38 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Korea: 5 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Manchuria: 5 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangsi: 1 harbour
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangsi: 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangtung: 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangtung: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            3 submarines placed in 19 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 19 Sea Zone: 3 submarines
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Malaya
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Malaya: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 75 PUs; end with 75 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs

[lexgreat]

extremely messy editing, you know why :)

All should be fine, but give me a shout if you catch any mistake.

[lexgreat]

ACTUALLY, having seen my poblem mid through turn, would you grace me with the same thing you asked for, ie change builds? I’d not change any combats, just my builds. So obvious really.

[lexgreat]

If you dont object, consider this moves, pls.

[wheatbeer]

No problem … I have a meeting this afternoon, but I ought to have time after that to do the US.

[lexgreat]

Japan is lost anyways, I think, thx to my complete neglect of your TT capabilities brought to the Pacific. Hell, I still have no idea where all those TTs came from :)

[wheatbeer]

Sorry about that.  I wasn’t trying to hide them … they ended up in weird spots because I had no naval base in Panama to speed them along.

Unless something weird happens, I guess this game will come down to how fast the Axis can secure an 8th European VC.

[lexgreat]

no excuse for my own mistakes, but its the one weakness of TripleA….and I still have not adapted.

[wheatbeer]

need scrambling and kamikaze orders SZ6

(can I assume max defense for OOL?)

[lexgreat]

omg, did not see bombers as well…

Scramble all air and use one token each for 6 DDs.

OOL, you chose as indicated, pls.

[wheatbeer]

Sorry, got distracted by the environment thread, lol.  One sec.