I have to concur with the others who have posted. A combined transport and infantry build for Japan on turn 1 is the way to go. If Russia took Manchuria on round 1, and if the UK executed the “Kwangtung Maneuver”, the only place left for Japan to build is Southeast Asia. While initially it MIGHT be safe (the US can take that factory using China and Sinkiang forces one time in 3, and later will threaten it with a southern island hoping fleet), it is too far from Russia to do any good, and forward progress against Russia proper is easilly blocked by Novosibirsk infantry units. Japan HAS to focus on gaining IPC’s in round 1 in order to sustain a transport invasion of Russia through the back door (Manchuria to Yakut to Novosibirsk to Russia). Also, as Japan builds a transport navy (protect by heavy naval forces that were NOT sacrificed against the US at Hawaii) the US has to garrison Alaska heavilly (that japanease transport fleet ferrying troops to Manchuria is a single move away from an all out invasion of Alaska too). That reduces the number of US dollars that can be spent on the European war, allowing Germany to maintain the frontal assault on Russia that eventually leads to Japan taking Russia. So for an opening move, Japan re-takes Manchuria, takes Australia, blasts the results of the Kwantung Maneuver (if executed) or takes China using air force and Kwantung infantry. If Japan still holds Manchuria, they assault Yakut and take it. If the UK builds in India, that simply takes more pressure off Germany and allows THEM to take Russia, aided by the threat floating through the Siberian lands… too far from India for UK to do a darn thing about. YAKUT is the key for Japan. Take it and hold it, you have one territory with all of your west-marching forces to defend it from the Russians, and you force Russia to try to defend TWO territories against your massing forces. The drain on Russia: defending Evenk AND Novosibirsk plus holding Karelia and the Caucuses with an income of only 20 or so IPC’s is FATAL, REGARDLESS of UK and US support. And with Russia gone, the Alllies WILL lose (economic victory is immediate on taking Russia, world domination only a few moves away)
Strong Germany Opening in Africa
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@TG:
You can just fly around the AA gun… though I doubt many players use Active AA-guns. Besides can’t that bomber land in the Caucacus?
If UK doesn’t purchase an AC but instead sends the BB to reinforce their fleet, will you attack it with your ftrs then?
I think over half of online players do play with AAA, and yes, the bomber can also land in the Caucacus - but that could also be a little risky for the UK.
You are right, you can pretty much write of the transport - you will almost definitely lose it to either the UK bomber or the Gibraltar BB. But it’s main function is to protect the German BB and Transport in the Eastern Med from the Gibraltar BB. If it survives that’s just a bonus.
I would probably still leave the BB alone if it made it back to the North Sea - the fighters are more important to Germany in the early stages of the game than in the later stages, so I would still wait and hit with Japan later on…
@TG:
Whoa, buying two transports! Now you’re just asking for trouble. Trust me, the Russians will be upon you before you even get a chance to use them.
I agree 100% - bad idea!
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I think over half of online players do play with AAA, and yes, the bomber can also land in the Caucacus - but that could also be a little risky for the UK.
Yea, I for one like to play AAA (esp when I’m Axis), though I know other players will not (-> looks at TM :roll:)
I would probably still leave the BB alone if it made it back to the North Sea - the fighters are more important to Germany in the early stages of the game than in the later stages, so I would still wait and hit with Japan later on…
German ftrs. are ALWAYS the single greatest deterant. :)
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Sorry I didn’t reply sooner, internet connection is so slow I only have time for 6-7 posts a day.
I like your plan, with one fatal execption. That Lone UK BB, its a 2hb remember? Don’t want him on the loose. It could take out that transport with ease. And, if you decide to attack it, and the BB hits, your going to either a) Lose a fighter (if you send one) or b) lose that second Transport.
Personally, I leave Egypt for G2, and mop up the British Navy to the last ship (except India) first turn.
And your right, allowing that Sub to live is a huge mistake.
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@TG:
Whoa, buying two transports! Now you’re just asking for trouble. Trust me, the Russians will be upon you before you even get a chance to use them. :)
well if your willing to risk it use my strat and do a full out invasion of russia with all your air force
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Lose your airforce, lose the game. The flak is heavy over the skies of Karelia. :-?
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I’ve never tried my strat but I might experament
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Full out invasion of Russia doesn’t work. Japan needs awhile to weaken Russia first
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I agree with SUD on one point here, a US IC in Finland can be very scary indeed. Will make Japan’s job that much harder.
I prefer to just transport 4 inf a turn into Africa (buy 1 Trn T1) for as long as possible. Trick is to try and get the Allied airforce out of position so you can keep those transports there. Remember, Bombers can hit Central Med. from Karelia, and still fly back there in relative safety.
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I was kind of hard reading SUD’s post… :(
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I’d like to hear the man talk, he’d make my head spin. And damn, I hope I don’t have to end up playing him.
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Yeah… I don’t mind long post. But I would like them to be a bit more organized if that isn’t asking for too much. :)
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Wad e zay?
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Maybe SUD would like to explain it against to patient listeners? :)
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maybe bid 2 trannys of italy and then buy a tranny and a sub to protect?
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bid 2 trannys of italy
Sorry… could you run that through to me again? :)
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nothing, I screwed up :oops:
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Here is my germ moves with 6-9 bids rr bid in Libya
purchases : bomber+5 infs or 10 infs
Egypt with 5(6) infs+ tanks (i hope to have at least 5units)
Spain sub vs eUsa tranny
fighter vs Lab tranny
sub+tranny +4fig+bomber VS north sea
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main differences are …I didnt buy a blocker. But since ive bought a bomber and killed (i hope) the USA tranny he will need to send the BB to north sea if he want to have a carrier on uk1.
I have a good shot at killing the us tranny (preventing Algeria on US 1 wich im sure is a bad move anyway)
For Labrador I could send the bomb instead of the figther but i think its sligthly superior the other way around.
I think that sometimes the 2nd germ tranny is useless but that my extra bomb can be trade for Russian IPC by strat bomb them.
Benoit Lessard
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Part 2
My fleet battle are a bit riskier and i dont save 2 finland infs too often. But chance are great that UK wont buy fleet on turn 1. 2Bomb +5 fighter VS carr bb+tranny+2fighter is a good battle.
Im not forced to do Caucasus(1inf+1tank is the way to do it – not 3infs) because i do not have a tranny in Cmed.On the downside i dont have 2 extra men in Africa.
Basically it show 2 different type of Africa games. 1 – taking it cheap but loose it later (my style)
2-- take it and keep it (2 tranny+send as much as you can in Africa)
Problem with type 1 is that germ will be down to 28 IPC in a couple of round
Problem with type 2 is that there is not enough units on the Europe front wich mean that EE is likely to fall into allies hand early.
Note that EE in allies hand is adequate compensation for Africa.
Benoit Lessard
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One prob I have understanding this discussion is how you still have the Germ Baltic fleet to factor in on G1. The Russians have never left me one! They always hit with sub, tran & fighter from Karelia.
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It’s usually Russia Restricted that’s talked of here. If Russia is allowed an aggressive Turn1, then the game is more or less over from the start anyway.
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