@panther thank you! that’s how I was reading it hence why I allowed it. Just never thought of it. Use to playing other versions.
J1 IC, Manchuria or ???
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@wittmann:
I built IC on EI on J1 and have just lost. Took India on J2, but never built there as was retaken with all 4 Russian tanks. Then he placed 3 Uk ones. Could not take back with 2Inf and 2Art, 2 Bombards and 3 Air. Tried 3 times!(kept losing Air)lost Philippines on US4, so knew game was over.
That is why am trying IC in Philippines this time.My advice is to build transports on J1 (you’ll need them anyways for an island IC) and wait to see what the US does first before deciding on building an IC on the islands. Even if the UK doesn’t attack SZ37, the US can still go KJF and force you to choose between attacking India to protect the transports/IC.
That’s another reason to place the IC on East Indies instead of Philippines or Borneo. East Indies can’t be threatened by amphibious landings from US transports on the Solomon Islands, whereas Borneo and Philippines can. -
@wittmann:
I built IC on EI on J1 and have just lost. Took India on J2, but never built there as was retaken with all 4 Russian tanks. Then he placed 3 Uk ones. Could not take back with 2Inf and 2Art, 2 Bombards and 3 Air. Tried 3 times!(kept losing Air)lost Philippines on US4, so knew game was over.
That is why am trying IC in Philippines this time.why did you have two bombers? That may be part of the problem in the first place…get the IC and two transports. Â You need to immediately pull the island guys off and hit Burma. Â If the Russians want to protect it with tanks, just keep building, let Germany put it up Russia’s a-hole…I’m sure they won’t help out if that happens.
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You misread/misinterpreted my post. I agree with Hobbes 100%. I was merely asking people to respond to his wonderful post and dose of reality. And, yes, reading lots of posts on this site, it is clear many people overlook Hobbes’ posts (sadly).
I wasn’t arguing with it, I’m just doing the same…confirming his post.
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@Mallery: BB and CR bombarding, not 2 bombers. The Nip fleet was off India shuttling to and fro from the EI IC with 2 TT and 4 ground each time.
Philippines was safe for 3 turns with just the original 2 units as I could have hit SZ with more than US would have to defend with. (My friend saw it for the death trap it was.)
MAybe if I had not been so unlucky rolling for India, the Philippines would have stayed safe. Will not know.
Never got to play that second game either as he could not stay a second day after all. -
Recommend new dice…although I would pull the art/inf off the Phillipines, but that’s just me (stop playing that VC crap).
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I don’t see why you would WANT to be more than 2 spaces from Solomon islands. Why are the Solomon islands important? I would think you’d WANT to be 2 SZ’s away from possible US targets so you can quickly move your fleet to defend, or counterattack in a single turn. Being more than 1 turn away from important places makes me feel too uneasy. I’m heavily leaning towards Borneo, just so i can build 2 TNK and 2 INF each turn, and put them on 2 TRNS to take to mainland. On Philippines i would be 1 spot short on my transport each turn, just makes it feel “not optimized”. And then I’d be 2 SZ’s from Inida, and Japan, and all the major islands. Between Borneo and Japan, I’d have an IC within 2 SZ’s of all starting islands.
Right now I’m thinking for J1, 2 TRNS, 1 IC in Borneo, and moving half the fleet off the coast of Burma, and half off the coast of Borneo. Bringing everything i can to Burma to prepare to take India on J2.
I figure the quicker i can shut down India, the quicker Germany can take Africa, and the quicker Japan can focus on Russia and/or USA.
Recommend new dice…although I would pull the art/inf off the Phillipines, but that’s just me (stop playing that VC crap).
I agree. How is holding a VC proof your winning the war? Play until it’s obvious by all players involved that one side will eventually win, which usually happens after one of the five countries’ capital falls.
VC’s make no sense whatsoever. IPC victories made way more sense than VC’s, and look how well that idea was received.
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Was really happy with EI, but Philippines is a VC and having to ferry 2 loads of Inf there when I am trying to win the other 2 VCs as the Axis is not a possibility.
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Sean, I’d put that IC in EI. EI is two zones from the Solomons, where Borneo/Phillipines is only 1. But your 2Trans/IC buy is valid. This could be ruined too if the Egypt FTR is alive and the fleet hits EI. If the UK survives with anything, you are in real trouble in the Pacific.
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Sean, I’d put that IC in EI. EI is two zones from the Solomons, where Borneo/Phillipines is only 1. But your 2Trans/IC buy is valid. This could be ruined too if the Egypt FTR is alive and the fleet hits EI. If the UK survives with anything, you are in real trouble in the Pacific.
That’s a really big IF. UK with the 1FTR from Egypt is 13 attack with an opening round 2 sub strike vs a 14 defense. Basically if your sub misses, which it will 66% of the time, then you can kiss your UK boats in the Indian Ocean goodbye.
EI is 2 SZ’s from Solomons, but 3 from Japan. I would really rather not be more than 1 turn between the two. I just don’t see the benefit to EI. You’re further from Hawaii, Midway, and Japan, and the only thing your closer to is Southern Africa. Because of how the SZ’s work, they are the same distance from the Suez. Borneo just seems to be the more strategic location.
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well, you can only build 4 on the EI, and you start off with two transports…so I’m lost why you care about Japan as it is…you should have two more transports on J1 (2trans/IC), and those 2 trans can deliver troops to Burma J2, while starting a shuck from EI to Burma/India.
I’ll take mutual destruction any day…if you eliminate 1BB, 1CV, 2FTRs, you give the US easy access to the Pacific…and you take heat off India because the US can now position itself in the Solomons. And if you give the US easy access to Borneo, you’ll get plundered.
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well, you can only build 4 on the EI, and you start off with two transports…so I’m lost why you care about Japan as it is…you should have two more transports on J1 (2trans/IC), and those 2 trans can deliver troops to Burma J2, while starting a shuck from EI to Burma/India.
I’ll take mutual destruction any day…if you eliminate 1BB, 1CV, 2FTRs, you give the US easy access to the Pacific…and you take heat off India because the US can now position itself in the Solomons. And if you give the US easy access to Borneo, you’ll get plundered.
I understand everything you’re saying, but everything you can do from EI, you can do from Borneo. So you don’t lose anything by building an IC on Borneo instead of EI, but you gain the ability to return to japan in 1 turn if you need to for whatever reason.
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except that you lose Borneo to the US.
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EI is 2 SZ’s from Solomons, but 3 from Japan.
East Indies is 3 SZs from Solomon, not 2. That protects the IC from any immediate landings but to me the problem isn’t losing the IC to the US but that it can become a white elephant on the presence of an US fleet. And if Japan has to defend it with 4 or 6 inf that’s 30+ IPC of hardware that is doing nothing other than denying it to the US, who can also build another on Borneo.
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EI is 2 SZ’s from Solomons, but 3 from Japan.
East Indies is 3 SZs from Solomon, not 2. That protects the IC from any immediate landings but to me the problem isn’t losing the IC to the US but that it can become a white elephant on the presence of an US fleet. And if Japan has to defend it with 4 or 6 inf that’s 30+ IPC of hardware that is doing nothing other than denying it to the US, who can also build another on Borneo.
I say let US take it, and then Counter with Subs built in SZ60, and your starting japanese navy in SZ35. Let america waist money in the pacific.
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EI is definitely a threatening IC buy, but it only gets you India’s VP. Now that might be enough to win as the Axis team. My point, that I do not believe has been addressed, is how do you keep the Philippines Japanese? While you are going West with your remaining BB and AC what is defending them? US could take them and build their own IC.
I find I can never build enough TT to be aggressive and also defensive. US can choose where to go. Japan is far more constrained, in this game by the VP cities.
Hobbes: do you just drop 2 more Inf on J2 or 3 knowing the TT is dead in the water? I cannot see what fleet you can spare to defend them is why I am asking. -
@wittmann:
EI is definitely a threatening IC buy, but it only gets you India’s VP. Now that might be enough to win as the Axis team. My point, that I do not believe has been addressed, is how do you keep the Philippines Japanese? While you are going West with your remaining BB and AC what is defending them? US could take them and build their own IC.
Leave your starting fleet parked in SZ35 off of India.
I really feel the best defense against a KJF strategy is mass subs in SZ60, and wait for the US to pick a target. Even if you can’t push the mainland it doesn’t matter. Germany WILL take Moscow if the US doesn’t get to the mainland. The UK may slow them down with FTR’s, but RUS and UK can’t do it alone.
I say put an IC on Borneo just to lure the US to take it, and when they do you pounce with 10-15 subs and your starting fleet in SZ35. Or just let US build naval units round after round to try and counter your sub builds. Every round they spend on naval units in the pacific is one round Germany is closer to taking Moscow and winning the game.
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Counter: R1 buy, 4inf, 2tanks. Hit Wuk and WRus. Move Evengi 2inf into China, move Kazah inf into Schezwan. Stack Buryatia or Yakut (Yakut to lure some Japanese off the line). 1 Russia FTR to Egypt for those purists out there.
UK hits EI fleet. Buys 2art/inf for India, 2 FTRs. Assume total annihilation of both fleets. UK FTRs to WRus. Bomber to Caucus. Pick up Egypt art/inf and drop in India, get 2 Aus inf to SZ 30 for landing in India UK2. Tank heads towards India.
Japan will most likely hit Yunan and Anwehi. Japan can hit PH, but why lose the entire navy? Japan buys its 5 SS
US buys CV, FTR, DD, Trans, art. US takes Solomons. US can probably hit Yunan or HK. US FTR can stay in Schezwan, but can land in India if hit Yunan to protect India.
Russia moves all inf and 2 tanks into Schezwan or stay in North China(should now have 3-4 inf/2tanks). Russia buys stuff to fortify its lines against Germany.
UK buys 1 more FTR and 2 tanks for India… WRus FTRs to India, UK FTRs to WRus.
Japan will buy 5 more SS? Tries to land in Schezwan or Burma.
US may try to hit phillipines/Borneo on US 2 (so I can load up planes on US3) but I would shuck and get more of the same with CV, FTR, 2 Trans. Bomber to Solomons. India can’t be taken cause you don’t have troops (cause you bought subs). Now India and Russia are free to conquer Asia…because you keep spending money on troops and you are out of troops to attack with because you are trying to buy subs…while you are worried about the US fleet (that can wait you out, India and Russia have taken your cash flow away. and when the US is ready, it will sack its transports to take the Islands away from you…you are now making 10 IPCs a turn. If you want to win, don’t buy tons of subs. The US will be patient with you and you will unleash the Indian beast. -
Counter: R1 buy, 4inf, 2tanks. Hit Wuk and WRus. Move Evengi 2inf into China, move Kazah inf into Schezwan. Stack Buryatia or Yakut (Yakut to lure some Japanese off the line). 1 Russia FTR to Egypt for those purists out there.
UK hits EI fleet. Buys 2art/inf for India, 2 FTRs. Assume total annihilation of both fleets. UK FTRs to WRus. Bomber to Caucus. Pick up Egypt art/inf and drop in India, get 2 Aus inf to SZ 30 for landing in India UK2. Tank heads towards India.
Japan will most likely hit Yunan and Anwehi. Japan can hit PH, but why lose the entire navy? Japan buys its 5 SS
US buys CV, FTR, DD, Trans, art. US takes Solomons. US can probably hit Yunan or HK. US FTR can stay in Schezwan, but can land in India if hit Yunan to protect India.
Russia moves all inf and 2 tanks into Schezwan or stay in North China(should now have 3-4 inf/2tanks). Russia buys stuff to fortify its lines against Germany.
UK buys 1 more FTR and 2 tanks for India… WRus FTRs to India, UK FTRs to WRus.
Japan will buy 5 more SS? Tries to land in Schezwan or Burma.
US may try to hit phillipines/Borneo on US 2 (so I can load up planes on US3) but I would shuck and get more of the same with CV, FTR, 2 Trans. Bomber to Solomons. India can’t be taken cause you don’t have troops (cause you bought subs). Now India and Russia are free to conquer Asia…because you keep spending money on troops and you are out of troops to attack with because you are trying to buy subs…while you are worried about the US fleet (that can wait you out, India and Russia have taken your cash flow away. and when the US is ready, it will sack its transports to take the Islands away from you…you are now making 10 IPCs a turn. If you want to win, don’t buy tons of subs. The US will be patient with you and you will unleash the Indian beast.So your pulling everything out of Africa, which means you have just given 10 IPC per turn from UK to Germany, which means Germany takes Russia even faster now. Then you’re also pulling Russian TNK’s and INF off the line to support India? I think this combination is going to doom Russia into a quick loss against Germany.
Every turn US is “waiting out japan” is one more turn Germany is closer to taking Moscow and winning the game. Russia CANNOT win the game for you. You’re entire counter is that Russia somehow miraculously beats Germany with Germany holding Africa, which is never going to happen.
I’m not saying protecting India is “Impossible”, but to do what is required means Allies lose Moscow and subsequently the game.
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I only have to take your islands…and India and Russia can take your mainland…if you don’t attack Egypt G1, I will destroy your BB/Trans, so good luck on that Africa trip! In a KJF, Moscow only has to hold till turn 5-6…and if you are buying subs for Japan, you aren’t going to hold off India. Ignore India and you lose the war.
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