Tigers spotted on the Eastern Front!

[sgtwiltan]

@CWO:

@wittmann:

Are things�  being set up for a new A&A game? Dare we hope!

Well, at least there’s potential for people to create their own house rules for a Kursk game.  Axistiger13 makes a good point about the American pieces: compared with the other four main countries, the U.S. has always placed more demands on the tackle boxes in which I stope my sculpts.  Britain is a close second because it’s been in every game other than Guadalcanal, so that adds up to quite a lot of sculpts.  Germany has been in fewer games than Britain, and Japan in fewer games that Germany, but they each tend to be given lots of pieces in games like the original Europe A&A and Pacific A&A in which there’s just one Axis country.  Russia has the fewest pieces of all: it’s been in the fewest number of games, and never as the sole Allied power.  My collection could use more T-34s and fewer Shermans.

You could use some of the Shermans and Matildas as lend lease re-enforcement provided you paint them to match russia.
I know what you mean by the sheer numbers of shermans as I have practically all the A&A games and some even double or more.
I’ve been modifying mine into an early Sherman and Firefly for the UK while the US will get a standard 75, 76 and an HVSS 76 tank.
I have been toying with converting some shermans into either Lee or Grant M3s. Already have loads of M3 stuarts from HBG.

Back on the tiger topic, I’ve finished a platoon of orange Tigers into the E version and will be making the other 5 into H versions making 2 fairly distinct Tigers. The early version with the Feifel air cleaners while the H version will have the cleaner rear deck and rearranged turret top with maybe an attempt at zimmeret.

[hkytown1]

It’s a beautiful map.  Borders clearly defined. Nice. Is it me IL or are the boarders a little tough to distinguish with these newer boards.  No sharpees needed.

[hkytown1]

That map is sensual, seductive, and understands my feelings.  Much like variables dice, it’s “aesthetically pleasing” as well

[CWO Marc]

@sgtwiltan:

I know what you mean by the sheer numbers of shermans as I have practically all the A&A games and some even double or more.

I just did a little calculation for fun, based on the fact that on the Western Front in 1944 and 1945 the Americans would typically lose four Shermans for each single Tiger they destroyed. I have three copies of A&A 1941, each of which contains 5 German Tigers plus 5 Japanese ones which I’ll count as variant-coloured German tanks for this exercise.  That makes 10 Tigers per copy, for a total of 30 Tigers.  Multiplying that by four, it means I have enough Tigers to destroy 120 of my American Sherman tanks. Sounds impressive at first…but that still only turns out to be a fraction of the total number of American and British Shermans I have (the British ones being from the pre-Matilda games).  This is actually an accurate reflection of the problem the Germans faced: no matter how many Shermans they demolished, the Americans always had more in reserve.  It gives me a new appreciation for the impressive quantity of Shermans that were being cranked out by the Detroit Tank Arsenal during the second half of WWII.

[Der Kuenstler]

Not to mention all the hordes of T-34s - the Germans couldn’t move a foot further in Axis and Allies if that number was historically represented.

[UrJohn]

@CWO:

This is actually an accurate reflection of the problem the Germans faced: no matter how many Shermans they demolished, the Americans always had more in reserve.  It gives me a new appreciation for the impressive quantity of Shermans that were being cranked out by the Detroit Tank Arsenal during the second half of WWII.

Yep! My great uncle, Jim, among many other courageous US tank crewmen in World War II, survived his tank getting blown up. They put him in another tank and sent him on into Germany.

[CWO Marc]

@UrJohn:

Yep! My great uncle, Jim, among many other courageous US tank crewmen in World War II, survived his tank getting blown up. They put him in another tank and sent him on into Germany.

He was a lucky guy to survive that, given how easily Shermans caught fire when they were hit.  There was a WWII joke – I can’t recall if it was a British or German one – saying that if you hit a British-manned Sherman with a hammer, the crew would scramble out before you had time to hit it again.

[Gargantua]

survived his tank getting blown up

Did they jump out Gi-Joe/Cobra style?

[hkytown1]

Yea, no one ever died in those cartoons, always jumped out or parachuted out!!! That’s why they where elite.
Do you remember the BAT robots destro made?  the Joe’s blew the piss out of those things.  It’s more kid friendly when robots are being destroyed.
Star Wars episode I took that idea as well.

[Yavid]

I heard the joke about Shermans was that the G.I.s called them Ronson (after the lighter) because they lite first time, everytime.

[UrJohn]

@CWO:

He was a lucky guy to survive that, given how easily Shermans caught fire when they were hit.  There was a WWII joke – I can’t recall if it was a British or German one – saying that if you hit a British-manned Sherman with a hammer, the crew would scramble out before you had time to hit it again.

He did mention that the tank was on fire when it got hit.

@Gargantua:

survived his tank getting blown up

Did they jump out Gi-Joe/Cobra style?

Actually, yes, he did. The other 3 guys in the tank weren’t so lucky. 1 was killed by the blast. A second was mortally wounded. And the tank commander jumped out first, and picked the wrong side of the tank to jump out on. Uncle Jim said he heard gunfire and never saw the commander again. He jumped the other direction and escaped by crawling into a nearby bramble thicket. He said he thought some Germans saw him crawl in, but they went on because he was way in there, stuck, out of sight, and unarmed. They had bigger problems than that. However, a couple days later when US forces pushed back the Germans in that area, theys cut him out, patched him up, and put him in a new tank.

[Yavid]

I would love to see Russian Shermans and/or Lees (American Lees too btw)

[Witt]

UrJohn: Do you know in which campaign, or battle, the incident you describe was from?

[UrJohn]

@wittmann:

UrJohn: Do you know in which campaign, or battle, the incident you describe was from?

I know it was in France in 1944.

[Gargantua]

How many Krauts did he kill?  :evil:

[UrJohn]

He didn’t like to talk about that kind of stuff. The story about the tank was about the only one he would tell.

[Witt]

@UrJohn:

He didn’t like to talk about that kind of stuff. The story about the tank was about the only one he would tell.

Thank you.
My Italian grandad was the same. Had stories and they would come out, other times he would clam up or stop and start to cry and my gran would comfort him and say he shouldn’t talk about it.
He said he was up a telegraph pole, repairing it, when he heard voices. At first was laughter, then pleading(he picked up some Russian), he wanted to interfere, but knew he had to pretend he was not there. A shot rang out. A group of young German soldiers had chanced upon a Russian peasant girl and getting no where, one had shot her.
He was lucky to be invalided out in Feb 42.