1939: World at War

[Xi]

M_G_, ya gotta read between the letters. :wink:

[TG Moses VI]

The Axis need to be at a disadvantage.

Ha, with America entering the war - you’re talking about a BIG Disadvantage. Russia alone could’ve knocked out both Germany and Japan if they wanted to.

[Mr Ghoul]

@TG:

The Axis need to be at a disadvantage.

Ha, with America entering the war - you’re talking about a BIG Disadvantage. Russia alone could’ve knocked out both Germany and Japan if they wanted to.

Your getting away from the topic here.

Anyways, if that’s what you think, you should definitely read more literature on WW2.

[TG Moses VI]

Anyways, if that’s what you think, you should definitely read more literature on WW2.

In terms of what? :-?

[Mr Ghoul]

@TG:

Anyways, if that’s what you think, you should definitely read more literature on WW2.

In terms of what? :-?

The fact that you think Russia could have beaten the Axis on its own.

[GeZe]

ya,

the russions had more infantry and the T-34 tank wich is considered the best.

[TG Moses VI]

The fact that you think Russia could have beaten the Axis on its own.

Pure numbers my friend. They would’ve taken Germany themselves and could’ve pushed the Japanese out of mainland Asia (though this would be of lesser importance).

[GeZe]

exsactly :)

[Mr Ghoul]

Again I say, both of you need to actually read some history on WW2,

[TG Moses VI]

Heh… how do you compare production numbers?

[Guest]

@Mr:

@TG:

Anyways, if that’s what you think, you should definitely read more literature on WW2.

In terms of what? :-?

The fact that you think Russia could have beaten the Axis on its own.

The fact that historians have calculated that 7/8 of the ENTIRE German war effort was on the Russian front, is really telling. Essentially the war in Europe was between Germany and Russia.

[Mr Ghoul]

@TG:

Heh… how do you compare production numbers?

You said that Russia could take both Germany and Japan on its own.
Which I understood as no Allied help.
If Germany and Japan were just fighting Russia and Russia alone……
Its lights out for the commies.

[TG Moses VI]

I dunno, even if Japan did invade Russia, they would have eventually ended up overextending themselves like the Germans (only this time, the time to Moscow is much, much further). It would only be a matter of time before the Russian struck back - en force.

[cystic crypt]

@TG:

I dunno, even if Japan did invade Russia, they would have eventually ended up overextending themselves like the Germans (only this time, the time to Moscow is much, much further). It would only be a matter of time before the Russian struck back - en force.

with what force?
the one occupied with the Germans?

Also w.r.t. the whole “accuracy/balance” debate, I think that A&A does not a bad job of getting both together. Each nation has its strengths and weaknesses based loosely on WWII history, with similar field/naval placements etc.
And i agree that although historical accuracy is nice, what is the point of playing against an equal opponant if you know which one of you is going to lose (or win) the game every time? For example Mr. Ghoul, if you and i were to play game X - perfectly balanced, i believe that it would be around a 60/40 - 40/60 split for us as to who would win (giving us a bit of a window) as i think that we are fairly comparitive in our abilities etc. At the same time, if every time we played we knew that there was a 90/10 or so, it would take some of the fun out, no?
Nothing you didn’t already know, but we need to find another way of making things more “historically accurate” while maintaining balance.

[TG Moses VI]

with what force?
the one occupied with the Germans?

The Russians had a 30 million man army. I think an amble force could’ve been diverted to hold the Japanese - at least until the Germans were pushed back.

[Drumstix]

I’ve never played, how do each sides win.
And how can the Germans and the Japanese win if Russia’s at 88 and America’s at 110?

[TG Moses VI]

No, but this might mirror real life. :)

[EmuGod]

There’s no way Russia could have defeated Germany and Japan historically. The Russians were alreayd losing to Germany alone. Against Japan too they would not have been able to hold out.

[TG Moses VI]

There’s no way Russia could have defeated Germany and Japan historically. The Russians were alreayd losing to Germany alone.

Hmm… me thinks Russian had already won the war on Germany by December 1941.

[Drumstix]

Wasn’t Stalingrad the turn point on the war? (well atleast European war)