Napoleonic Empire - 5ppl - Free for All (Noll - Veqryn - Alex - Wheat - Gekk)

[lexgreat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :18

Combat Move - Russia
            1 Battleship and 1 Brigantine moved from SZ55 to SZ53
            9 Artillerys, 20 Chasseurss, 8 Cuirassierss, 15 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 7 Grenadierss, 4 Howitzers, 15 Kutusovs and 1 Mortars moved from Volhynia to Galicia
            1 Artillery moved from Kiev to Galicia
            1 Kutusov moved from Bessarabia to Galicia
            1 Kutusov moved from Smolensk to Galicia
            2 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Cuirassiers moved from Novgorod to Ingria
            1 Dragoons moved from Smolensk to Ingria
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Moscovia to Ingria
            1 Fusiliers moved from Smolensk to Minsk
            1 Fusiliers moved from Smolensk to Minsk
            1 Fusiliers moved from Smolensk to Minsk
            1 Chasseurs moved from Severia to Minsk
            1 Chasseurs moved from Severia to Minsk
            1 General moved from Smolensk to Novgorod
            1 General moved from Severia to Smolensk
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Georgia to Mordvins
            1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers moved from Georgia to Astrakahn
            1 Chasseurs moved from Kazan to Severia
            1 Chasseurs moved from Kazan to Severia
            1 Howitzer moved from Kazan to Severia
            1 Artillery moved from Smolensk to Minsk
            1 Fusiliers moved from Smolensk to Novgorod
            1 Artillery moved from Smolensk to Novgorod
            1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 1 Grenadiers moved from Moscovia to Novgorod

Purchase Units - Russia
            Russia buy 2 Artillerys, 4 Chasseurss, 2 Cuirassierss, 2 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Horse_Artillery; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Russia
            Battle in Minsk
                Russia attack with 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 3 Fusilierss
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Artillery, 1 Encampment and 2 Fusilierss
                    Russia roll dice for 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 3 Fusilierss in Minsk, round 1 :  2/6 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss in Minsk, round 1 :  0/3 hits
                    1 Artillery owned by the UnitedKingdom and 1 Fusiliers owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Minsk
                    Russia roll dice for 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 3 Fusilierss in Minsk, round 2 :  2/6 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Minsk, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the Russia and 1 Fusiliers owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Minsk
                Russia win, taking Minsk from UnitedKingdom with 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Ingria
                Russia attack with 2 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 2 Cuirassierss and 1 Dragoons
                UnitedKingdom defend with 2 Chasseurss, 1 Encampment and 2 Mariness
                    Russia roll dice for 2 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 2 Cuirassierss and 1 Dragoons in Ingria, round 1 :  2/6 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 2 Chasseurss and 2 Mariness in Ingria, round 1 :  2/4 hits
                    1 Chasseurs owned by the Russia , 1 Dragoons owned by the Russia and 2 Mariness owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Ingria
                    Russia roll dice for 2 Artillerys and 2 Cuirassierss in Ingria, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 2 Chasseurss in Ingria, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    2 Chasseurss owned by the UnitedKingdom and 2 Artillerys owned by the Russia lost in Ingria
                Russia win, taking Ingria from UnitedKingdom with 2 Cuirassierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 2 Chasseurss and 2 Mariness
                Casualties for Russia: 2 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Dragoons

Non Combat Move - Russia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Daghestan to Georgia
            1 General moved from Daghestan to Georgia

Place Units - Russia
            3 Chasseurss placed in Novgorod
            1 Artillery and 1 Grenadiers placed in Smolensk
            1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 2 Cuirassierss, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Horse_Artillery placed in Moscovia

Turn Complete - Russia
            Russia collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUs total
            Objective Russia destroys TUV: Russia met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 59 PUs

[lexgreat]

Diplomacy Round 18: R does nothing.

[Noll]

Due to a recent mobilization of a small UK fleet with marines in the British Channel, France gets suspicious.

For now, I’ll take a position of neutrality from all the wars, while keeping alliance with UK and see what they do.

Eventual attacks on the holy grounds of France will settle my real enemies. Hower, France will not attack non belligerant forces.

France downgrade Austria’s position to Ceasefire.
France downgrade Ottoman’s position to Ceasefire.

[wheatbeer]

For us it’s an upgrade, which the Ottomans accept.

Other than that, Ottomans do nothing.

[Veqryn]

So you point to UK’s 2x marines (which can’t do much of anything, against 2x factories in spain, even if we assume they are targetting you), as a mobilization against you.

And then because of that,… you keep your alliance with UK, but move to ceasefire against me?

…

Usually in these games people at least try to use a fig leaf to cover their stabs…

[Gekkepop]

Well that’s a surprising turn of events, you could at least have asked why I was sending those ships, which is to deal with the Russians, which you refused to kill. Still doesn’t change much for me though, no politics for UK.

[Noll]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :19

Politics - France
            France takes Political Action: Political Action France Ceasefire AustrianEmpire
                France succeeds on action: Political Action France Ceasefire AustrianEmpire: Changing Relationship for France and AustrianEmpire from Allied to Ceasefire
            France takes Political Action: Political Action Treaty France Ceasefire OttomanEmpire
                France succeeds on action: Political Action Treaty France Ceasefire OttomanEmpire: Changing Relationship for France and OttomanEmpire from War to Ceasefire

Combat Move - France
            2 Artillerys, 15 Chasseurss, 9 Cuirassierss, 1 Dragoons, 24 Fusilierss, 23 Howitzers and 3 Mortarss moved from Lombardi to Venetia
            3 Chasseurss and 4 Fusilierss moved from Rome to Eturia
            10 Fusilierss moved from Orleanais to Champagne
            2 Battleships, 11 Brigantines, 14 Cutters, 3 Frigates and 6 Mariness moved from SZ62 to SZ56
            3 Brigantines and 4 Cutters moved from SZ50 to SZ45
            1 Brigantine and 1 Cutter moved from SZ53 to SZ48
            1 General moved from Languedoc to Auvergne
            1 General moved from Provence to Burgundy

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 7 Chasseurss, 5 Fusilierss, 5 Howitzers and 3 Mariness; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Non Combat Move - France

Place Units - France
            5 Fusilierss and 5 Howitzers placed in Orleanais
            2 Chasseurss placed in Lombardi
            2 Chasseurss placed in Burgundy
            3 Chasseurss placed in Auvergne
            2 Mariness placed in Andalusia
            1 Marines placed in Tangiers

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 93 PUs; end with 95 PUs total

[lexgreat]

Lol, great cinema at its best.

Look who is speaking about "surprising. Lets quote Gekkepop a bit: “Fine you have yourself a deal, no more landing on your coastline and your ships pull back. The deal will be considered broken when your ships are not moving back to your home waters for a turn.”

Next GB actions:

1. Keep units on occupied territories (actually moving a new unit there).
2. Landing even more units, and taking additional territories.
3. Send ships to “deal with the Russians”.

Russian action under the deal:

Pulling back my ships, as agreed
Not attacking occupied territories with GB units on them, giving GB time to evacuate.

Surely Veqryn expects the same standards from his ally that he now finds missing in France. Stop the theatrics, GB/A are not exactly on morale high ground there.

On with the game, all :)

[Veqryn]

france should have killed those 2 ships long ago

they never should have passed through the med unopposed

i figured france just forgot to war with you til too late, but then i saw him build a bunch of boats off gibraltar, so i assumed he was finally going to kill them

i guess france has been playing me for a while?

i don’t mind being backstabbed… it is the name of the game after all

but at least if you are going to stab someone, be in a good position to benefit from it

ie: either stab to win directly, or stab to put yourself in the position to win

this stab makes no sense at all, and i am nearly banging my head against the wall at just how stupid it is

and he stabbed the wrong fucking person to top it off

[Noll]

France did not 'stab anyone.
France wants to understand who are the real enemies.
The Boats in Gibraltar where my way of preventing an UK landing in Spain, I tought that boats are more usefull than few land units in preventing cheap landings.

And I never had any intention of attacking Russia, nor you asked me to.

[lexgreat]

Apart from the fact that there might be no backstab at all, you always seems to be the wrong person to backstab, Veq.

And lets not forget that you broke a deal you had with me way back. Did you follow your own rules, did you do that in order to immediately win, or to get in any good position? Doesnt look so to me. And I dont buy the preemptive stuff that you use as justification ;)

[Gekkepop]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :19

Combat Move - UnitedKingdom
            1 Corvette and 1 Marines moved from SZ36 to SZ33
            2 Cutters moved from SZ36 to SZ33
            1 Brigantine and 1 Marines moved from SZ34 to SZ33
            2 Mariness moved from SZ33 to Wessex
            1 Cutter moved from SZ44 to SZ36
            2 Barques moved from SZ3 to SZ6
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ3 to SZ7
            2 Battleships moved from SZ7 to SZ3
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from Prussia to SZ7
            1 Barque, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ7 to SZ3
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ3 to Ingria
            3 Fusilierss moved from Krakow to Volhynia
            2 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss moved from Krakow to Warszowa
            1 Fusiliers moved from Posen to Warszowa
            12 Dragoonss and 1 Hussars moved from Krakow to Minsk
            1 Chasseurs moved from Prussia to SZ7
            1 Marines moved from Lithuania to SZ7
            1 Barque, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from SZ7 to SZ3
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from SZ3 to Ingria
            1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness moved from Holstein to SZ10
            1 Barque, 1 Brigantine, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness moved from SZ10 to SZ7
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Holstein to Mecklenburg
            1 Marines moved from SZ7 to Latvia
            1 Howitzer and 1 Marines moved from SZ7 to Lithuania
            1 Artillery, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Howitzer and 3 Mariness moved from Latvia to Minsk
            3 Artillerys, 6 Chasseurss, 7 Fusilierss, 6 Grenadierss, 4 Howitzers, 18 Mariness and 5 Mortarss moved from Lithuania to Minsk
            1 Chasseurs, 2 Fusilierss, 1 Howitzer, 3 Mariness and 1 Mortars moved from Pomerania to Prussia
            2 Cuirassierss and 1 Dragoons moved from Brandenburg to Warszowa
            1 Wellington moved from Hanovre to Posen
            2 Dragoonss moved from Hanovre to Brandenburg
            1 Barque moved from SZ7 to SZ6
            1 Barque moved from SZ4 to SZ6
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Ostra Gotaland to SZ6
            2 Barques, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from SZ6 to SZ7
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from SZ7 to Lithuania
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Skane to Ostra Gotaland
            3 Barques moved from SZ26 to SZ29
            1 Fusiliers, 2 Howitzers and 3 Mariness moved from Essex to SZ29
            3 Barques, 1 Fusiliers, 2 Howitzers and 3 Mariness moved from SZ29 to SZ26
            1 Fusiliers, 2 Howitzers and 3 Mariness moved from SZ26 to Holstein

Purchase Units - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom buy 2 Artillerys, 1 Brigantine, 2 Cuirassierss, 2 Fusilierss, 2 Howitzers, 4 Mariness and 1 Wellington; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - UnitedKingdom
            Battle in Volhynia
                UnitedKingdom attack with 3 Fusilierss
                Russia defend with 1 Fusiliers
                UnitedKingdom win, taking Volhynia from Russia with 3 Fusilierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Minsk
                UnitedKingdom attack with 4 Artillerys, 6 Chasseurss, 12 Dragoonss, 8 Fusilierss, 6 Grenadierss, 5 Howitzers, 1 Hussars, 21 Mariness and 5 Mortarss
                Russia defend with 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Encampment and 2 Fusilierss
                UnitedKingdom win, taking Minsk from Russia with 4 Artillerys, 6 Chasseurss, 12 Dragoonss, 8 Fusilierss, 6 Grenadierss, 5 Howitzers, 21 Mariness and 5 Mortarss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Hussars
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss
            Battle in Ingria
                UnitedKingdom attack with 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness
                Russia defend with 2 Cuirassierss and 1 Encampment
                UnitedKingdom win, taking Ingria from Russia with 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Russia: 2 Cuirassierss

Non Combat Move - UnitedKingdom

Place Units - UnitedKingdom
            1 Brigantine placed in SZ29
            1 Fusiliers, 2 Howitzers and 3 Mariness placed in Essex
            1 Artillery and 1 Marines placed in Skane
            1 Artillery and 1 Fusiliers placed in Pomerania
            2 Cuirassierss and 1 Wellington placed in Hanovre

Turn Complete - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom collect 79 PUs; end with 79 PUs total
            Objective UnitedKingdom destroys TUV: UnitedKingdom met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 83 PUs

[Veqryn]

@alexgreat:

Apart from the fact that there might be no backstab at all, you always seems to be the wrong person to backstab, Veq.

And lets not forget that you broke a deal you had with me way back. Did you follow your own rules, did you do that in order to immediately win, or to get in any good position? Doesnt look so to me. And I dont buy the preemptive stuff that you use as justification ;)

you were never an ally russia, despite my attempts to make diplomacy with you
therefore it is impossible to stab you in the back

i guess you need to play more FFA’s with different groups of people

a general unspoken rule in FFAs, is that moving your troops to attack someone, is almost equal to attacking them.  it literally means: “i will probably attack you next turn, or as soon as my other ally gets into position”

the fact that we sat there without war is meaningless, as the real reason was only that you were waiting for the ottomans to get on board before doing anything

you will find in any FFA or Diplomacy game, that moving all your units up to the border with someone, or taking bordering non-player buffer territories, is a great way to broadcast your intentions and make enemies at the same time

i decided it was not in my interest to wait for my 2 neighbors to be completely ready to kill me, and that it would be better to preemptively kill your fleet while i still could, before the chance to defend myself decently had passed

combine that with some diplomatic moves to convince the ottomans to hold off their eventual war with me for a while, and I bought myself a lifeline for a few turns.

you may forget what a precarious position austria (or any middle power) is in, in a FFA game.  no matter what you do, you can never defend on all your fronts.  to have 2x powers going at you is basically the end of you.
This is true even if you have allies, because you will always be the one losing units, and your allies will always be looking at your undefended backside and planning for the perfect backstab.  Corner powers do not have this disadvantage because their ally isn’t up in their backsides.

Quite literally, the only way for Austria to win, is to ensure that one of their neighbors is an ally, and that they both declare war on another neighbor, while all your other neighbors are distracted or allied or at least stay the heck away from you.  This may sound similar to the strategy for every player in the game, but the main difference for Austria is that the longer the game goes on the worse Austria’s position gets, so Austria must basically eliminate or help to eliminate 1 other player in the first 7-14 rounds or risk losing the chance to win the game forever.

The best I could do after Ottoman and Russia had made up their minds that I was the enemy, was to take 2nd place.

I’ve never given up hope though, and succeeded in getting UK and France to put aside their war (at least for a while anyway) in order to help me survive longer, and also prolong Ottoman’s victory.  I had hoped that I could last long enough to get my income back in shape and still be in the game til it got to 2 players, then still go for gold.

I knew that at some point UK or France would stab me, but I had assumed they would at least do it for a material victory of some kind.  Either a giant TUV swing, or a large set of undefended territories, or the best possible type of stab of winning that turn with VC victory.  When I attacked Russia (not a stab, as I explain above), I completely eliminated the Russian naval threat, claimed Russia’s convoy zone, safeguarded all of sweden from Russia, and got a 100 TUV swing against Russia.  I would have expected France or UK to get a hell of a lot more out of it than France just did.

[Veqryn]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :19

Combat Move - AustrianEmpire
            9 Artillerys, 2 Charless, 11 Chasseurss, 6 Dragoonss, 40 Fusilierss, 8 Grenadierss, 24 Howitzers, 4 Hussarss, 1 Marines and 2 Mortarss moved from Krakow to Galicia
            4 Artillerys, 7 Chasseurss, 33 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 18 Howitzers and 1 Mortars moved from Moravia to Galicia
            1 Charles moved from Brandenburg to Galicia

Purchase Units - AustrianEmpire
            AustrianEmpire buy 3 Charless, 1 Cuirassiers and 4 Dragoonss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - AustrianEmpire
            Battle in Galicia
                AustrianEmpire attack with 13 Artillerys, 3 Charless, 18 Chasseurss, 6 Dragoonss, 73 Fusilierss, 10 Grenadierss, 42 Howitzers, 4 Hussarss, 1 Marines and 3 Mortarss
                OttomanEmpire defend with 11 Artillerys, 14 Chasseurss, 8 Dragoonss, 21 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 10 Mahmuds and 1 Mortars; Russia defend with 10 Artillerys, 20 Chasseurss, 8 Cuirassierss, 15 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 7 Grenadierss, 4 Howitzers, 17 Kutusovs and 1 Mortars
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 13 Artillerys, 3 Charless, 18 Chasseurss, 6 Dragoonss, 73 Fusilierss, 10 Grenadierss, 42 Howitzers, 4 Hussarss, 1 Marines and 3 Mortarss in Galicia, round 1 :  51/173 hits
                    OttomanEmpire roll dice for 21 Artillerys, 34 Chasseurss, 8 Cuirassierss, 23 Dragoonss, 24 Fusilierss, 7 Grenadierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 4 Howitzers, 17 Kutusovs, 10 Mahmuds and 2 Mortarss in Galicia, round 1 :  52/151 hits
                    1 Horse_Artillery owned by the OttomanEmpire , 4 Hussarss owned by the AustrianEmpire , 1 Mortars owned by the Russia , 10 Artillerys owned by the Russia , 2 Fusilierss owned by the Russia , 48 Fusilierss owned by the AustrianEmpire , 4 Howitzers owned by the Russia , 1 Mortars owned by the OttomanEmpire , 11 Artillerys owned by the OttomanEmpire and 21 Fusilierss owned by the OttomanEmpire lost in Galicia
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 13 Artillerys, 3 Charless, 18 Chasseurss, 6 Dragoonss, 25 Fusilierss, 10 Grenadierss, 42 Howitzers, 1 Marines and 3 Mortarss in Galicia, round 2 :  41/121 hits
                    OttomanEmpire roll dice for 34 Chasseurss, 8 Cuirassierss, 23 Dragoonss, 1 Fusiliers, 7 Grenadierss, 17 Kutusovs and 10 Mahmuds in Galicia, round 2 :  48/100 hits
                    2 Chasseurss owned by the OttomanEmpire , 8 Dragoonss owned by the OttomanEmpire , 7 Grenadierss owned by the Russia , 1 Fusiliers owned by the Russia , 8 Cuirassierss owned by the Russia , 25 Fusilierss owned by the AustrianEmpire , 22 Howitzers owned by the AustrianEmpire , 1 Chasseurs owned by the AustrianEmpire and 15 Dragoonss owned by the Russia lost in Galicia
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 13 Artillerys, 3 Charless, 17 Chasseurss, 6 Dragoonss, 10 Grenadierss, 20 Howitzers, 1 Marines and 3 Mortarss in Galicia, round 3 :  23/73 hits
                    OttomanEmpire roll dice for 32 Chasseurss, 17 Kutusovs and 10 Mahmuds in Galicia, round 3 :  25/59 hits
                    12 Chasseurss owned by the OttomanEmpire , 13 Howitzers owned by the AustrianEmpire , 12 Chasseurss owned by the AustrianEmpire and 11 Chasseurss owned by the Russia lost in Galicia
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 13 Artillerys, 3 Charless, 5 Chasseurss, 6 Dragoonss, 10 Grenadierss, 7 Howitzers, 1 Marines and 3 Mortarss in Galicia, round 4 :  25/48 hits
                    OttomanEmpire roll dice for 9 Chasseurss, 17 Kutusovs and 10 Mahmuds in Galicia, round 4 :  23/36 hits
                    1 Marines owned by the AustrianEmpire , 16 Kutusovs owned by the Russia , 4 Artillerys owned by the AustrianEmpire , 7 Howitzers owned by the AustrianEmpire , 5 Chasseurss owned by the AustrianEmpire , 9 Chasseurss owned by the Russia and 6 Dragoonss owned by the AustrianEmpire lost in Galicia
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 9 Artillerys, 3 Charless, 10 Grenadierss and 3 Mortarss in Galicia, round 5 :  11/25 hits
                    OttomanEmpire roll dice for 1 Kutusov and 10 Mahmuds in Galicia, round 5 :  5/11 hits
                    1 Kutusov owned by the Russia , 5 Artillerys owned by the AustrianEmpire and 10 Mahmuds owned by the OttomanEmpire lost in Galicia
                AustrianEmpire win, taking Galicia from OttomanEmpire with 4 Artillerys, 3 Charless, 10 Grenadierss and 3 Mortarss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 234
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 11 Artillerys, 14 Chasseurss, 8 Dragoonss, 21 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 10 Mahmuds and 1 Mortars
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 9 Artillerys, 18 Chasseurss, 6 Dragoonss, 73 Fusilierss, 42 Howitzers, 4 Hussarss and 1 Marines
                Casualties for Russia: 10 Artillerys, 20 Chasseurss, 8 Cuirassierss, 15 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 7 Grenadierss, 4 Howitzers, 17 Kutusovs and 1 Mortars

Non Combat Move - AustrianEmpire
            1 General moved from Svealand to SZ6
            1 Barque and 1 General moved from SZ6 to SZ7
            1 General moved from SZ7 to Prussia
            2 Battleships, 2 Brigantines, 4 Cutters and 2 Frigates moved from SZ7 to SZ10
            4 Chasseurss, 5 Fusilierss, 1 General, 3 Grenadierss and 3 Howitzers moved from Austria to Moravia
            1 General moved from Moravia to Krakow
            2 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer moved from Silesia to Moravia
            2 Fusilierss moved from Brandenburg to Silesia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Posen to Silesia
            1 Howitzer moved from Warszowa to Krakow
            3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer moved from Svealand to Ostra Gotaland

Place Units - AustrianEmpire
            1 Cuirassiers placed in Moravia
            1 Dragoons placed in Krakow
            3 Charless placed in Brandenburg
            AustrianEmpire undo move 3.
            3 Dragoonss placed in Brandenburg
            AustrianEmpire undo move 3.
            3 Charless placed in Brandenburg
            3 Dragoonss placed in Prussia

Turn Complete - AustrianEmpire
            AustrianEmpire collect 49 PUs; end with 49 PUs total
            Objective AustrianEmpire destroys TUV: AustrianEmpire met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 53 PUs

Territory Summary for AustrianEmpire :

Lappland : 1 flag
    Brandenburg : 1 flag, 3 Charless, 1 Fortress and 1 General
    Svealand : 1 flag
    Silesia : 1 flag, 3 Fusilierss
    Zala : 1 flag, 1 Mortella_Tower
    Hesse : 1 flag
    Galicia : 1 flag, 4 Artillerys, 3 Charless, 10 Grenadierss and 3 Mortarss
    Warszowa : 1 flag
    Austria : 1 flag, 1 Capital and 2 Mortella_Towers
    SZ7 : 1 flag, 1 Barque
    SZ8 : 1 flag
    Moravia : 1 flag, 4 Chasseurss, 1 Cuirassiers, 7 Fusilierss, 1 General, 3 Grenadierss and 4 Howitzers
    Vastra Gotaland : 1 flag
    SZ10 : 1 flag, 2 Battleships, 2 Brigantines, 4 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    Krakow : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons, 1 General and 1 Howitzer
    Prussia : 1 flag, 3 Dragoonss, 1 General and 2 Mortella_Towers
    Hollande : 1 flag, 2 Mortella_Towers
    Bavaria : 1 flag
    Magdeburg : 1 flag
    Rhine : 1 flag
    SZ19 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine
    Ostra Gotaland : 1 flag, 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer
    Lithuania : 1 flag, 3 Fusilierss

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 93 / 95
    UnitedKingdom : 79 / 83
    AustrianEmpire : 49 / 53
    OttomanEmpire : 83 / 89
    Russia : 48 / 59

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 131 times
            2 was rolled 144 times
            3 was rolled 118 times
            4 was rolled 137 times
            5 was rolled 128 times
            6 was rolled 139 times
        Average roll : 3.507
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.541
        Standard Deviation : 0.736
        Total rolls : 797

OttomanEmpire Combat
            1 was rolled 64 times
            2 was rolled 63 times
            3 was rolled 53 times
            4 was rolled 69 times
            5 was rolled 56 times
            6 was rolled 52 times
        Average roll : 3.409
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.660
        Standard Deviation : 0.812
        Total rolls : 357

AustrianEmpire Combat
            1 was rolled 67 times
            2 was rolled 81 times
            3 was rolled 65 times
            4 was rolled 68 times
            5 was rolled 72 times
            6 was rolled 87 times
        Average roll : 3.586
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.879
        Standard Deviation : 0.938
        Total rolls : 440

[lexgreat]

Veq, that this is just a game aside for now (all this is strictly within the game and not personal), pls dont lecture me regarding such games. I dont know how long you play things like Diplomacy ,probably for a long time, as do I. And not in all games do I find that a win is the most satisfying outcome, or possible at all due to this or that. And also, twist it like you want to, I told you that as long as you dont attack my territories, I wont attack yours. I kept my word, and you have no way to prove your theories, only wishful thinking. According to you its a given that anyone attacks in this situation, 100% of the time. Prove it that it would have been so in this game. Its your perception, it is what you expected, fine, no problem with that, but its nothing more than that. And it never happened. I also do not mind that you took preemptive measures, thats totally normal. But it made you the agressor, made it impossible to prove your expectation, and made me an implacable enemy. Thats all, and in hindishgt I am glad that I did not waste a lot of units on Scandinavian adventures….who knows what else would not have been in your best interest. Not taking under-defended Russian territories, maybe ;)

[Noll]

More than winning, my best interest is to support the powers that deserve my trust. If we check it from a Victory Cities points, the one that is in better position at the moment is the UK. And with the last Austrian attack (the suicide attack that left Vienna empty), The United Kingon is in great position of attacking and expanding in Russia alone. So as for now everything looks like Austria is a puppet state of UK.

I guess it’s a good play on the UK’s side.

[Noll]

Here’s a pic of France

[Veqryn]

It was not meant as an insult, I truly thought you were new to this sort of thing.

And of course everything is just within this game.  I play a lot of games like Diplomacy and it is impossible to keep your head on straight if you take all your enemies and allies from a finished game into a newly starting game.  If I ever play a game with any of you guys again, it is a clean slate in my mind.  This might be my first game with most of you, but I’ve played with Noll before and like him quite a bit in our other games and look forward to more games with him and you all.

My opinions previously posted were the opinions of a rather frustrated Austria after being betrayed (but maybe not stabbed) by france, and overall in a bad situation regardless.  Treat them as such.

I feel that I should also add that certain movements and builds often do constitute war, and the actual declaration of war is merely a stamp on it.  An example would be France building navy in the english channel and marines in Paris.  
For Austria, the things you did taken as a whole were almost the same as that (taking the neutral buffer right by prussia, moving your whole army to my front, building a navy in the baltic, putting down factories directly across our border [minsk]).  Throw in the fact that you rejected all my offerings and diplomatic offers and private messages, and the fact that you also rejected various offers from me to draw-down and move-back our troops, either slowly or all at once.  You really can not blame me for seeing war coming on the horizon led by you.  So if you give me a 10 on the aggresso-meter, you surely deserve an 8 or 9 for pushing me into it.  After all, if you didn’t want a war, you could have just moved back a space or shown even the smallest amount of interest in working with me on even humble matters.

[lexgreat]

Good game Veq, so far  :wink:

[Veqryn]

@alexgreat:

Good game Veq, so far  :wink:

glad you like it

though i can’t take credit for all of it.  most of the art as well as the background map were done by lssah