I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
Atheists in foxholes?
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how many of you have heard of the phrase, “you’ll never seen an atheist in a foxhole”? i sure have and i find it somewhat offensive. im a big advocate for our military and Intelligence community and have several members in my familiy who have served this nation honorably (among my familiy are two retired Colonels,US army). i have also greatly considered joining the military, even prior to 9-11. but i am an atheist and it makes me somewhat angry when people say you’ll never see an atheist in combat. to me its like saying the christians in the country are much more patriotic and more willing to sacrifice thier lives for this country. i dont agree with it one bit! atheists can be just as patriotic as any theist, and still be a great soldier/marine as any soldier/marine that is a theist. i dont see where religion comes into play here– fighting for your country is about just that, not about being theistic or atheistic. what do you guys think about that?
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Its hard being in the middle )
Theists… most are fools some are ok
Athiests… more are ok some are foolsMe, I’m just dandy in the middle )
Speaking as a Kid, I’m telling you, 20 years from now a third of the country wont be theist.
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Speaking as a Kid, I’m telling you, 20 years from now a third of the country wont be theist.
Well… there’s is still lots of Atheist; IF you consider those religious atheist in buddhism, but Atheist and Without religion; rare, very rare, and they don’t gain ground very fast… For lots of time, we’ve got all the element to see that god is a chimera. Still, religion is very strong, and “angry atheist” are rare these day…
Anthropomorphism and anthropocentrism will plague humanity for still lots of time… maybe, in 100 years, religion will have lose some point… Sure it is loosing ground, but this is abnormally slow… well not so abnormally if you consider the cultural and biological aspect of belief.
You should read “Religion Explained” by Pascal Boyer…
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but i am an atheist and it makes me somewhat angry when people say you’ll never see an atheist in combat.
I agree. When I tried joining the Marines, one of the questions they asked was my religion… not that easy on me as you can suppose.
Speaking as a Kid, I’m telling you, 20 years from now a third of the country wont be theist.
I doubt this - probably not even within the next 100 years from now.
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how many of you have heard of the phrase, “you’ll never seen an atheist in a foxhole”? i sure have and i find it somewhat offensive. im a big advocate for our military and Intelligence community and have several members in my familiy who have served this nation honorably (among my familiy are two retired Colonels,US army). i have also greatly considered joining the military, even prior to 9-11. but i am an atheist and it makes me somewhat angry when people say you’ll never see an atheist in combat. to me its like saying the christians in the country are much more patriotic and more willing to sacrifice thier lives for this country. i dont agree with it one bit! atheists can be just as patriotic as any theist, and still be a great soldier/marine as any soldier/marine that is a theist. i dont see where religion comes into play here– fighting for your country is about just that, not about being theistic or atheistic. what do you guys think about that?
i think you completely missed the point of the phrase. The idea is that even if you are an atheist, when you’re sitting in a little hole in the ground somewhere on foreign soil, with mortars and rockets and bullets flying all over the show watching your friends die right, left and center, it is hard to not believe in/cling to a higher power. I seriously doubt the phrase was made up in order to suggest that atheists don’t make good soldiers, or can’t be patriotic.
However if you see this as a way for you to once again rail against religion and it works for you, then rail away. -
Thanks CC for speaking up. That’s the scenario that divides the theists from athiests. When it’s over (if your alive), you’ll know if you BELIEVE or not…
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In germany the social democrats usually are the target of a similar saying… based on their pre-WWI election behavior…
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I’m in High School now. I’ll telll you, being very liberal in my number heres, MAYBE 1/5 of the students here actively practice the religion they claim to be. And a large number openly call themselves Athiests. 80% of those who claim to be religious, don’t practice it.
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80% of those who claim to be religious, don’t practice it.
More like 99% percent over here (though very few “Atheist” :roll:).
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Quick Q…is an agnostic someone who doesn’t really believe in god, but believes that there could be something out there?
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depends on your definition…
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@Anonymous:
Quick Q…is an agnostic someone who doesn’t really believe in god, but believes that there could be something out there?
my take is that an agnostic is one who believes it is impossible to know if there is or is not a God.
Many believe that it’s possible/unlikely, or even possible/likely, but that it is not possible to know. Many of these are seekers of spiritual truth, many have sought and are tired, and many are too lazy to seek.
That’s just my understanding, however - an “agnostic” may want to speak for him/herself.
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An Agnostic says that there can be something or nothing outthere, however, it’s not my business to know at this time. I see every single established religion in the world as completely, 100%, false.
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An Agnostic says that there can be something or nothing outthere, however, it’s not my business to know at this time. I see every single established religion in the world as completely, 100%, false.
i disagree. I think there is an element of truth and beauty to every religion - regardless of whether or not it buys into Jesus Christ.
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My take on this is that people are still faithful, but are finding it harder to find time to practice. Work and school or both, seems like our daily free time is shrinking…
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where did you serve SUD? And in what capacity?
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The sole purpose of this question is so they know what type of chaplin to send to visit you and/or your family if you are injured or killed.
Ohhhhh… I see. Hey, that’s awfully considerate of them. :)
When you go through training, they will send you to church services on Sunday (at least occassionally). You will be seperated into groups: the Catholics will all attend their service, pretty much everyone else will attend a non-denominational service. If you are something else, you will likely be allowed to ‘pray’ on your own or encouraged to sit in the non-denominational group… If you are registered as a religion, but refuse to go to a service, you will likely be forced to parade around while everyone else is in-service (this is to dissuade the one’s who are lazy/simply don’t want to go to a service), and if you are a registered atheist you will likely simply stand around in the rain contemplating your own existence until everyone else is done.
Ha, anything nothing beats training all day 8)
The modern military perspective is simple: if you are willing to fight and die for your country, that’s good enough for us. The religious aspects of military service are there for support. Use em if you want to, don’t if you don’t want em. The code of warriors is much more important than any religious beliefs or otherwise. In my experience, military services are very much grounded in military life and military values. They are virtually indistinguishable, except for the observance of specific rites.
Good to hear.
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SUD - thanks for that insight. I met an interesting guy once - a former executive director-guy with CSIS - he could not tell me about most of his life, which was ok, because the stuff he could tell me about was right out of some novels. Anyway, thank you for serving. I’m always touched by what we owe you people, particularly Nov 11, or when watching a war-movie (Band of Brothers, etc.) or reading about Canadian military history.
Regards,
cc
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