Wheatbeer (axis) vs gazza (allies)

[gazza]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Future, version: 3.1

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
            3 infantry moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Kweichow

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Chahar
                Chinese attack with 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Hopei
                Chinese attack with 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Kweichow
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                retreated to Kweichow
                Japanese win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry
            Battle in Szechwan
                Chinese attack with 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Tsinghai
            1 fighter moved from Tsinghai to Kansu
            4 infantry moved from Shensi to Kansu

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Shensi
            2 infantry placed in Kansu

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 7 PUs; end with 8 PUs total

[gazza]

need ool didant know if you wanted to keep old of your bomber

ool for egypt.tsvg

[wheatbeer]

one sec

[wheatbeer]

well, it could depend how well you roll in round 1 (OOL is traditionally chosen after the attacker rolls not before)

But the first to go will be the 8 Italian infantry … after that it depends on the dice.

[gazza]

well i got eight hits +1 in the bombard but i took 1 infantry of for that

[wheatbeer]

Okay, let me know how many hits I get on defense for round 1 and how many you get for round 2 attacking.

[gazza]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Future, version: 3.1

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - British
            British repair 6 damage on 6 factory_minors; Remaining resources: 25 PUs;
            British buy 3 armour and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            3 armour moved from Iraq to Egypt
                  British take Trans-Jordan from Italians
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Egypt
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kenya to Egypt
            2 armour moved from Kenya to Egypt
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 81 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Egypt

Combat - British
            Battle in Egypt
                British attack with 8 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 2 fighters and 2 infantry; Italians defend with 2 armour, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour and 8 infantry
                4 armour retreated to Trans-Jordan
                Italians win with 2 armour, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 4 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Italians: 7 infantry
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer
                Italians defend with 1 submarine
                Italians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - British
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Iraq

Place Units - British
            3 armour placed in Iraq
            1 transport placed in 71 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs total

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Future, version: 3.1

Game History

Round :7

Politics - Italians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Egypt: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Egypt: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 submarine moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 battleship owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    1 transport owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in 98 Sea Zone
                Italians win, taking 98 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 42
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            2 infantry placed in Egypt

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2,6,6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,1,6,1,6,3,5,4
            Italians collect 8 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs total
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 58
    Russians : 31 / 31
    Japanese : 64 / 76
    Americans : 54 / 75
    Chinese : 7 / 8
    British : 31 / 31
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 15 / 20
    ANZAC : 10 / 16
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

I specified losing Italian infantry first in my OOL, so I corrected that.

[gazza]

yes no problem i was going to tell you to edit that

[gazza]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Future, version: 3.1

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 2 armour and 1 artillery; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to South Australia
            1 artillery moved from New South Wales to South Australia

Place Units - ANZAC
            2 armour and 1 artillery placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 54 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,6,6,4,4,3,5,4,5,3,4,5
            ANZAC collect 8 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 8 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 13 PUs

[gazza]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Future, version: 3.1

Game History

Round :7

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
                  British take Alexandria from Italians

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Future, version: 3.1

Game History

Round :8

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 6 artilleries, 1 fighter and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
            1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
                  Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians
            1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 113 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 1 submarine
                Russians defend with 1 submarine
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 113 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 113 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 3 destroyers in 113 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/5 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 113 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
            Battle in Belarus
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
                Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Ukraine
                Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 3 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers in Ukraine, round 1 :  2/6 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Ukraine, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine
                retreated to Ukraine
                Russians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            4 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            4 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            3 artilleries placed in Novgorod
            3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in Western Germany
            2 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2,2,2,4,2,6,1
            Germans collect 45 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 45 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 47 / 60
    Russians : 28 / 31
    Japanese : 64 / 76
    Americans : 54 / 75
    Chinese : 7 / 8
    British : 31 / 31
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 15 / 20
    ANZAC : 10 / 13
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[gazza]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Future, version: 3.1

Game History

Round :8

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 fighter and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
                  Russians take Western Ukraine from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus
            3 fighters moved from Russia to Belarus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Belarus
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Trans-Jordan
            1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Trans-Jordan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Belarus
                Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 artillery
                Russians win, taking Belarus from Germans with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            3 fighters moved from Belarus to Russia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Russia
            5 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 artilleries moved from Russia to Bryansk

Place Units - Russians
            1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in Russia
            1 infantry placed in Ukraine

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs total

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Future, version: 3.1

Game History

Round :8

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 1 harbour, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 46 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 46 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            6 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            6 artilleries, 8 infantry and 7 transports moved from 34 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            6 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from 62 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            2 bombers moved from Anhwe to Szechwan
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Chahar
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Shantung to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
                  Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Shensi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shantung to Shensi
            1 artillery moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East
                  Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha
                  Japanese take Sakha from Russians
            1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shensi, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi
                Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Chahar
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Chahar, round 1 :  3/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chahar
                Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Szechwan
                Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys in Szechwan, round 1 :  2/6 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan
                Japanese win, taking Szechwan from Chinese with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in New South Wales
                Japanese attack with 6 artilleries, 4 fighters, 8 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                ANZAC defend with 2 aaGuns, 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    AA guns fire in New South Wales :  1/6 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in New South Wales
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships and 2 cruisers in New South Wales, round 1 :  0/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 6 artilleries, 3 fighters, 8 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in New South Wales, round 1 :  6/19 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 2 aaGuns, 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 fighters and 2 infantry in New South Wales, round 1 :  3/11 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the ANZAC , 3 infantry owned by the Japanese , 2 aaGuns owned by the ANZAC and 2 artilleries owned by the ANZAC lost in New South Wales
                    Japanese roll dice for 6 artilleries, 3 fighters, 5 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in New South Wales, round 2 :  5/16 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 4 armour and 3 fighters in New South Wales, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Japanese , 4 armour owned by the ANZAC and 1 fighter owned by the ANZAC lost in New South Wales
                    Japanese roll dice for 6 artilleries, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in New South Wales, round 3 :  5/13 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 2 fighters in New South Wales, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 2 fighters owned by the ANZAC lost in New South Wales
                Japanese captures 13PUs while taking ANZAC capital
                Japanese win, taking New South Wales from ANZAC with 6 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 fighters and 6 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 2 aaGuns, 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 fighters and 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 54 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from New South Wales to 54 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 34 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 34 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from New South Wales to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Shantung to Japan
            3 bombers moved from Japan to Burma
            2 mech_infantrys moved from India to Burma
            2 bombers moved from Szechwan to Burma
            1 mech_infantry moved from French Indo China to Burma
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Jehol
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shantung
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Chahar to Jehol
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shensi to Kweichow

Place Units - Japanese
            3 fighters placed in Japan
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in India
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in French Indo China
            2 infantry placed in Japan
            1 harbour placed in Kiangsu

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 72 PUs; end with 86 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 96 PUs
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 101 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 60
    Russians : 29 / 31
    Japanese : 72 / 101
    Americans : 54 / 75
    Chinese : 3 / 8
    British : 31 / 31
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 15 / 20
    ANZAC : 8 / 0
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[gazza]

well thats it weatbeer i cant get that back i think you have all the citys india and austrlia just tottaly mucked up becouse i never seen that harbour getting you to india very good game you play very well as always up for anouther same set up

[wheatbeer]

Good game  :-)  I’ll play another if you want.  Do you prefer to play a particular side? Or do you want to bid for sides?

[gazza]

no il play the same weetbear if thats ok im not botherd for the bid if thats ok

[wheatbeer]

Okay, I’ll let you know when I start a new thread.  I’m going to try to think up something different to open with.