Those Russian women were tough! They made some fine pilots too. I would be glad to have some covering my arse.
Russia and Israel prove that Women can fight as well as Men. I’m tired as being treated as the “typical man”. Carry out the garbage, work out, pay for dinner, own a big pit bull. Most Women aren’t Sex in the City girls. If Women aren’t going to be forced to die for our country, then I damn well shouldn’t be either.
Yanny Said:
If Women aren’t going to be forced to die for our country, then I damn well shouldn’t be either.
Slighty flawed logic. I mean there are people who don’t have to work, why should I? There are people who don’t vote, why should I? There are people who cannot wipe their own bum, why should I.
Yall get my point
@cystic:
There is something in my consciousness that says that it would be a disgrace to have a woman die in the field of battle. The sight of a woman dying on a battle field would stir the consciousness of a nation, at least one of chauvenistic males like me, to fight against this occurrance.
As disgusting the thought of women lying dead on the battlefield is to me, I think men doing the same would trigger a very similar reaction. I think it’s simply a matter of desenitization; in the various forms of media, from actual footage, to photographs, to war movies, we have grown accustomed to the idea of men dieing in battle and not women.
Yanny Said:
If Women aren’t going to be forced to die for our country, then I damn well shouldn’t be either.
Slighty flawed logic. I mean there are people who don’t have to work, why should I? There are people who don’t vote, why should I? There are people who cannot wipe their own bum, why should I.
Yall get my point
I think you didn’t get his.
The emphasis was on “forced to”. Noone forces you to work, vote or wipe your bum. But when drafted you can be forced to go out with high chance of not coming back, and a lot of other things.
Yes, In Israel women are sent to the army at age 18 but they usually do not serve on the front lines for a very good reason. Israel does not want them to be captured and subjected to horrible torture which would happen if taken by the Arabs since in Arab countries women are second to men and the Arab interrogators would do terrible things to women such as rape them for example. I’m divided on whther women should go in the USA. After all, they were the ones who built the planes, tanks etc. in World War 2 and that worked out pretty well so maybe they should do that since their planes seemed to be extremely well built.
If Women were drafted, then half the number of Men would be required to be drafted. So, there will be a mix of Men/Women to do any work required for a war.
What kind of war are you talking about? Not one draftee for a war of imperialism.
Israel does not want them to be captured and subjected to horrible torture which would happen if taken by the Arabs since in Arab countries women are second to men and the Arab interrogators would do terrible things to women such as rape them for example.
I think you’re pretty lucky that, to my knowledge, there are no arabs on these boards. Most Arab nations are quite modern and have adapted western ideas of gender equality. I like how we’ve demonized most of that part of the world as barbaric and backwards in our propoganda.
If Women were drafted, then half the number of Men would be required to be drafted. So, there will be a mix of Men/Women to do any work required for a war.
Actually, no Yanny. Let me explain.
First, the misconception that everyone who is drafted serves. You have to meet certain standards. A 98 pound weakling would be not be accepted.
Second, an assault rifle is not a .22. It is heavy and has a decent recoil that many people are unable to handle.
Third, no one is saying that no women can be soldiers. That is not true. But a smaller percentage of women can. Fewer women than men have what it takes.
Fourth, the exaple of Israel. Like in the U.S., women do not serve on the front lines. Also, less of their time is required by the military. Its not quite a throwback to the WAC, but they have reasons.
Fifth, Honor killings/rapes of women, often for crimes that their relatives and not them commited, continue in Eqypt, Palestine, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Afganisitan, Pakistan, etc. Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, where they have “Religious Police” In Sudan the Christian Minority is persecuted by the Muslim Majority.
Thus Yanny, if you drafted 100 women and 100 men you would have more male soldiers than female.
Falk, what is wrong with women staying home with the children if they want to? They have done studies, even if the man stays home and the woman works, she almost always does more taking care of the kids than the man. Naturally. It is all hormones. Women have more of the hormone which makes you nurturing.
I do not want to be drafted into the military if war breaks out :( I just do not know how much of service I could be or if I could handle the savagery and brutality war brings. Why must I go out and shoot a fellow human I have never ever met in my entire life? I do not think he has ever done anything horrible in his life, certainly not to me, so what right do have to shoot him? If he is the enemy, then there was never any chance I could befriend him? Most likely he was caught up in the war, sent to fight because of the actions of presidents, dictators, ministers, or chancellors that he could never meet or have a say in their dealings. But if my country needed me desperately, and her intentions were clear and not for aggression, then I guess I would accept being drafted. I would try my hardest to be a good soldier and do what I am told, even if my heart was not with me. I do not know if I could serve with pride, but I know I will do it with honor and forgiveness. :(
‘You cannot qualify war in harsher terms then I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it. I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot not heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for more blood, more vengence, more desolation. War is hell.’ ~ General William Tecumseh Sherman
Perfectly said. :wink:
Realistically, I can’t see a draft coming about anytime soon. Unless we have some major country or nation beating down our door, I’m not so sure that a President would call on the draftees. (In case you’re wondering why, I’m pretty sure the draft isn’t such a popular thing around here… :wink:)
Most of the “battles” we fight nowadays are dealt with by special forces and precision guided munitions. They do this job successfully. It’s going to be a long time before we ever see the massive amounts of troops that we did in WW2. (I say this with hope…)
Moses’ sister clearly illustrates the point that Deviant was trying to make about phsycology.
Women are naturally more caring and nurturing than men, in general. Its hormones.
Thank you YB, that’s the point I was trying to make. Yanni, you’re categorizing women and men as if we’re complete equals, and just because they’re able to hold a gun, they should go fight. Bad comparison.
Throughout history, men have always been the protectors of their women. That’s the way it’s always been here. I have no problem going and fighting to defend my country if they need me, but I wouldn’t force a woman to do the same.
An M16 Rifle weighs what, 15 pounds? Full combat infantry gear, 40 pounds? Thats 55 pounds on you. Anyone can carry that. Modern Rifles have incredibly little recoil.
If all Women are considered for the Draft, and the weaker ones rejected, Ok thats fine. However, if only the ones who want to fight have to, theres something wrong. I pay the same taxes as a Woman.
An M16 Rifle weighs what, 15 pounds? Full combat infantry gear, 40 pounds? Thats 55 pounds on you. Anyone can carry that. Modern Rifles have incredibly little recoil.
The problem isn’t so much with being able to carry 55 pounds (though this is in its own right heavy [ex. lot of girls complain when their backpack weighs more than 10-20 pounds), but carrying it over long distances. I have done a lot of reenacting with such loads (though more like 30 mostly) and after two hours of fighting, sprinting, and marching, it starts to wear on you - A Lot. This is esp. true when your exhausted, under harsh terrian, in fog of war, and under heat - not many people can take that. Besides, I never want someone in my squad covering me who doesn’t want to fight - this often results in two deaths instead of one.
