@Curtmungus your honor of being more famous than me is quite deserved. I salute you.
The Drafting of Women
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How are women phychologically weaker than men?
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Well, that 100 pound 5’2" man can be drafted. Why shouldn’t a woman be drafted?
I don’t see why Men should be forced to die for their country while the women stay home and do needlepoint.
Oh BS, Women and Men have full and equal rights, and should of have equal responsibilities. Women can hold up an M16 just as well as I can.
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Often enough there claims by certain USies here, who are convinced they are right, but can’t put up more backups. One of those claims is: the USies are not arrogant in gerneral.
I try to prove as many of those claims wrong, in the hope that a few can make the conclusion that maybe other unbacked claims are as false.It’ll take an awful many claims to displace 270,000,000+ people…
Peopleof all countries make claims all the time without backing them up – pretty arrogant I say. -
There is something my fried we call “induction”, it is not a precise tool of logic, but with a little jugement you can come to interesting conclusion; like in the domain of physic.
Only a blind will say the Americans are the same as the German, sure German are not all blond & rigid, and all Russian are not all taking vodka when they wake up; these are stereoptype; often with little value. But we must admit that all culture, for lot of reason, are very different. But, as always, it is an holistic, general view. French are direct, very direct, if they think you are an idiot; you will know it. This is not true for all french, but it is still a feature of the french culture… Now how do we call that, most french will say the french are honest, and most english will not use so gentle term… Same thing for the whole “American are arrogant” thing, you can look at it like Pride, but it can also look like arrogance, it is just a question of perspective.
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@Anonymous:
There is something my fried we call “induction”, it is not a precise tool of logic, but with a little jugement you can come to interesting conclusion; like in the domain of physic.
…Same thing for the whole “American are arrogant” thing, you can look at it like Pride, but it can also look like arrogance, it is just a question of perspective.
Thanks, good words for what i think
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@Deviant:Scripter:
Psychologically and Physically, women aren’t as strong as men. That’s a fact. I mean, if it ever came down to the point where all the men were dead, then sure women should have to fight :wink:. There’s really no reason otherwise.
Psychologically … lol
Women can stand physical pain much better than men. They may not be as “strong” in lifting weights… but hey, how much muscles does it take to pull a trigger, drive a tank, fly a plane, read a radar etc etc.
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@F_alk:
Psychologically … lol
Ummm, I’m not quite sure what’s so funny here. Watching your friend’s die right in front of you has quite a LOT to do with your psychlogic stability.
@F_alk:
Women can stand physical pain much better than men.
According to who? If a woman was in a torture camp and a man was also, I’d bet that the man would hold out longer than the woman does.
This is quite a stupid argument to be making. Yanni, I’m sure when you have wife and daughter one day, you’re not going to want to face the possibility of them being drafted. You’re a liar if you say to do.
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@Deviant:Scripter:
@F_alk:
Psychologically … lol
Ummm, I’m not quite sure what’s so funny here. Watching your friend’s die right in front of you has quite a LOT to do with your psychlogic stability.
What has that do with your statement that women are psychologically weaker? That was what i was laughing about. You pulling out this little nice prejudice.
Sounds like you don’t want your wife to work, but stay at home in the kitchen and watch the kids….@F_alk:
Women can stand physical pain much better than men.
According to who? If a woman was in a torture camp and a man was also, I’d bet that the man would hold out longer than the woman does.
I stand corrected. Women receive pain differently! They have a lower threshold, but can identify pain much better. Problem is, women as subject in pain research / gender specific pain research has just started.
(german article: http://www.schmerzliga.de/pages/pub/se_titelstory.html)
Therefore, your statement is as invalid as mine. I wouldn’t take that bet, if there is a smart torturer in the camp.This is quite a stupid argument to be making. Yanni, I’m sure when you have wife and daughter one day, you’re not going to want to face the possibility of them being drafted. You’re a liar if you say to do.
That has nothing to do with your previous reasoning.
Then men shouldn’t be drafted either, as the women and kids don’t want them to leave. -
Only a blind will say the Americans are the same as the German, sure German are not all blond & rigid, and all Russian are not all taking vodka when they wake up; these are stereoptype; often with little value. But we must admit that all culture, for lot of reason, are very different. But, as always, it is an holistic, general view. French are direct, very direct, if they think you are an idiot; you will know it. This is not true for all french, but it is still a feature of the french culture… Now how do we call that, most french will say the french are honest, and most english will not use so gentle term… Same thing for the whole “American are arrogant” thing, you can look at it like Pride, but it can also look like arrogance, it is just a question of perspective.
To be honest, I have never seen a blond German in person – or at least that I knew of. Most blonds I see tend to be Russian – those that don’t take “Vodka” when they wake up – or at least I’m aware of. Don’t know if French are honest – maybe or at least I’m unaware what “qualifies” as honesty.
According to who? If a woman was in a torture camp and a man was also, I’d bet that the man would hold out longer than the woman does.
Women give birth to babies - that is “pain” enough. Women hot wax their legs - again, I would rather die than let this happen to me. :)
That has nothing to do with your previous reasoning.
Then men shouldn’t be drafted either, as the women and kids don’t want them to leave.Agreed. I never really believed in drafting (unless under dire circumstances [ex. if your own country was invaded]), and if someone doesn’t want that fight, that dramatically lowers your units combat effectiveness. Remember the slogan, “You are only as strong as the weakest person on your team.” Of course, if women want to join the military, I’m fine with that. They are some pretty tough girls out there. :roll:
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I guess as a pacifist i would be opposed to any kind of draft. That aside, there is something that resides in me (no doubt chauvenistic, paternalistic, or whatever other label you’d care to paint me with) that makes me cringe at the idea of women going out to war and dying for their country. Maybe it’s because of what “Mom” means to me, or how i’ve got to know my sisters and other women in my life. My dad, my cousins, my uncles, and even myself, i could see dying in battle (well - as a medic, anyway), and maybe even convincing ourselves that we’d be dying with honor. There is something in my consciousness that says that it would be a disgrace to have a woman die in the field of battle.
Again, maybe it’s because i was brought up to protect women - to defend them, my sisters especially, but seeing an abused woman in the ER makes my blood boil.
The sight of a woman dying on a battle field would stir the consciousness of a nation, at least one of chauvenistic males like me, to fight against this occurrance.
And i disagree vehemently with D:S. Women are stronger then men in more ways than you’d imagine. Women out-survived men in concentration camps. They may not be as stronger physically at first glance, however they have more stamina then men do.
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I don’t think it really matters to me.
I dont think you have to draft women, at first , but if they want to fight, then hey, knock yourself out.
Both men and women have their strengths and weaknesses
Russia had plenty of women fighting in the fornt lines during WW2
When the Germans first reached Stalingrad, most of the AA and anti-tank guns were being operated by women.
And from the accounts I’ve read on the battle in stalingrad, the women fought just as viciously as any man.yaknowwhatimsayin
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Those Russian women were tough! They made some fine pilots too. I would be glad to have some covering my arse.
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Russia and Israel prove that Women can fight as well as Men. I’m tired as being treated as the “typical man”. Carry out the garbage, work out, pay for dinner, own a big pit bull. Most Women aren’t Sex in the City girls. If Women aren’t going to be forced to die for our country, then I damn well shouldn’t be either.
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Yanny Said:
If Women aren’t going to be forced to die for our country, then I damn well shouldn’t be either.
Slighty flawed logic. I mean there are people who don’t have to work, why should I? There are people who don’t vote, why should I? There are people who cannot wipe their own bum, why should I.
Yall get my point
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@cystic:
There is something in my consciousness that says that it would be a disgrace to have a woman die in the field of battle. The sight of a woman dying on a battle field would stir the consciousness of a nation, at least one of chauvenistic males like me, to fight against this occurrance.
As disgusting the thought of women lying dead on the battlefield is to me, I think men doing the same would trigger a very similar reaction. I think it’s simply a matter of desenitization; in the various forms of media, from actual footage, to photographs, to war movies, we have grown accustomed to the idea of men dieing in battle and not women.
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Yanny Said:
If Women aren’t going to be forced to die for our country, then I damn well shouldn’t be either.
Slighty flawed logic. I mean there are people who don’t have to work, why should I? There are people who don’t vote, why should I? There are people who cannot wipe their own bum, why should I.
Yall get my point
I think you didn’t get his.
The emphasis was on “forced to”. Noone forces you to work, vote or wipe your bum. But when drafted you can be forced to go out with high chance of not coming back, and a lot of other things. -
Yes, In Israel women are sent to the army at age 18 but they usually do not serve on the front lines for a very good reason. Israel does not want them to be captured and subjected to horrible torture which would happen if taken by the Arabs since in Arab countries women are second to men and the Arab interrogators would do terrible things to women such as rape them for example. I’m divided on whther women should go in the USA. After all, they were the ones who built the planes, tanks etc. in World War 2 and that worked out pretty well so maybe they should do that since their planes seemed to be extremely well built.
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If Women were drafted, then half the number of Men would be required to be drafted. So, there will be a mix of Men/Women to do any work required for a war.
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What kind of war are you talking about? Not one draftee for a war of imperialism.
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