tell you what bob as fare as i new you cant scramble if there is nothing to protect and i know you mite of been able to scramle if you was protecting wgermany but i attact germany as fare as i can see you have no planes to protect germany to scramble
but im not 100%on that but anyway if i did my go again i would still take germany but the next sea zone
i cant give you the ind points back but the game is yours gg
gazza - i’m quitting triple a. The rules are very clear - you can scramble whenever there is an attack adjacent to an airbase - including vs transports when USA attacks Norway/Denmark. The game glitched that it didn’t ask for a scramble. I don’t care about the win. Your friend AxisPlaya is the one that said I could scramble - the same authoritity that said the attack at Germany was legit. You forgot to send any gear to cover the transports. That was a mistake; transports are dead on arrival.
I’m quitting because Axisplaya has a double standard - me losing Germany, I should have known the rule. You not sending gear to cover your transports, you get to re-do your move and send carriers and planes and dice are against me. I have a message from him saying exactly that. He is an experienced player and talking that sort of BS, it is frustrating.
I’ll stick to boardgame. I know we would never play again nor finish this game. so it goes.
Yikes, I just witnessed bob delete his account. :(
Sorry to see you go man, but I guess that’s the Democrat way. :P
So Gazza misinterpreted that you can scramble to defend against an amphibious assault in a neighbouring sea zone. Lesson Learned.
All the transports aren’t necessarily dead though… because the “attacking” power, retains the ability to retreat. Scrambled planes would get to roll for the first round of defence, and assuming they ALL missed, technically the transports -could- retreat away.
I hope both of you get a better game next time. (FTF or Online)
@bobgordon303:
I’m quitting because Axisplaya has a double standard -
I don’t…I’m no more Gazza’s friend that i am yours.
I have no particular interest into this game, the result of this game, or in making any of the players happy.
Seems to me that Bobgordon is very emotional and wants to see Gazza’s transport sunk and that’s all, end of discution, end of rationality, end of trying to understand each point of view, end of trying to find a FAIR solution for both players.
Would Gazza have done those moves if the Triple A program had been working properly ? I very much doubt that. Bob’s argument is that then Gazza would have cheated because then he would have redone his move…Lol…Bob has to be a noob to say this, because otherwise, he would know that a lot of players (including myself at least for tournament games) just test their turn by playing a LOCAL game turn, just to see how things are going before going with the real play by forum definitive turn…
Bob, have you ever seen a front to front boardgame player taking notes on a paper to evaluate the numbers of units and composition of 2 armies, or rolling a couple of dices just to see what the results could be ? You can see this in about every live session of A&A boardgame if the players are a bit experienced…the same thing goes with Triple A, sometimes, people test their turn using local game mode, and this is not cheating, as you seem to think…
But, as we often see, it is much easier to pretend being a victim and quit, than to try to calm down, discuss, and try to find a gentlemen’s agreement for a friendly game (lol, this is not even a league or tournament game !).
sorry axisplaya about this its not your falt at all you just tryed to help. but if you can see this bob dont quit you was getting the better anyway
dont let this stop you from doing somthing you enjoy its only a game man i would play you anytime
i just hope you come back
and axisplaya was just telling it how it is he never took sides what so ever he was just trying to help
ugh wut the…
Pretty sure you can rewind the clock on this.
Nope, you can’t rewind the clock on whiny poor-sportism.
@bobgordon303:
Hey AxisPlaya - I know and respect your game. If my club is playing wrong, I’ve been robbed in the past. But all that aside, I have a German Fighter, two German Tact, an Italian Tact and an Italian Fighter sitting in Germany. And if you look at C9 of the turn Gazza only brought his transports and Did not give me the opportunity to scramble, so I should be able to edit the board, sink the 2 transports with my air and move forward.
Bob, we play with the right rules and can opener play like this has popped up in the past from time to time. Jonathan almost lost a game to this very thing.
wut?
Yeah you can rewind the clock. 1) he can scramble vs usa who sent lone transports to take denmark to begin with. Opponent never asked for scramble orders or sent anything to begin with.
I draw two conclusions from this
Plus it is common courtesy to ask for scramble orders. So it is not like you can table pounce someone who didn’t act yet.
Also it is not like a bunch of turns passed. he did usa/uk only.
@Cow:
wut?
Yeah you can rewind the clock. 1) he can scramble vs usa who sent lone transports to take denmark to begin with. Opponent never asked for scramble orders or sent anything to begin with.
I draw two conclusions from this
- neither player knew or remembered the scramblings
- bob didn’t know know the canal rules
Plus it is common courtesy to ask for scramble orders. So it is not like you can table pounce someone who didn’t act yet.
Also it is not like a bunch of turns passed. he did usa/uk only.
Bob didn’t know about the canal rules, but Gazza didn’t know about proper aplication of scrambling rules. That said, Gazza has probably done those moves BECAUSE OF TRIPLE A BUG not taking into account scrambling if territory containing the AB is not attacked…If allies just redo entirely their turn, then Germany WILL end up being taken by a single transport since USA CAN send enough units in sz112 to prevent the scrambling.
So these 2, if they want to continue and have a good game, should say something like this (IMO): USA can redo his turn as he wishes, but there is no taking Germany this turn. Period. This could work, and they still have a good game.
Honestly gazza, you should take back denmark/norway/berlin, because you did not send air to cover it and he could scramble.
He was never asked for scramble orders, common courtesy.
If you really want to insist on whatever then 2 fighters vs 2 fighter and a tactical. If your transport makes it through then you win. Simple as that.
So yeah either rewind that or fight for your win. I got to agree with bob, but this is a little dramatic.
I don’t think this can be blamed on a triple a bug… I mean triple a bugs ruined a bunch of my games especially during testing, but this wouldn’t ruin anything.
I mean if I popped open battlemaps to do italy and saw germany taken… I would be like wait wah? I didn’t get to scramble what?
So yeah you still end up asking for scramble orders either way. Just because it doesn’t pop up doesn’t maen you can’t roll it out on the forum and edit in the results.
In a live game, usually I end up just adding a transport german transport to the water and fly air over it, which would activate the scramble orders.
@Cow:
He was never asked for scramble orders, common courtesy.
DUH….man, could you actually think about it and/or read the entire thread before saying something that stupid ? How could he have asked for scrambling orders since the program DOESN’T PROPOSE THE SCRAMBLING OPTION ??? (this is the bug we are talking about).
So don’t put all the blame on Gazza, he just did what he thought was legal, AND THE TRIPLE A PROGRAM allowed it ! That’s why we’re talking about the bug.
I am just happy triple a is around, because I tried typing my moves out and following what my opponents are doing with battlemaps… that didn’t work out for me, ended up being too much effort to do one thing, and every now n then someone moves a fighter an extra space and then there is a giant debate about a fighter… the worst is debating the existence of an infantry. I can’t handle that.
Anyway, some people do use triple a as just an advanced version of battlemaps. They just roll on the forum and edit all the results, you still save time from typing out all the movements and checking your opponent, the history tab is cool like that.
Anyway the fact remains, Bob would scramble, does Gazza want to send 2 fighters? If yes, then do it. Otherwise, you should take it back.
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The program should ask for scrambling orders, you are right. However the player should know the rules too.
Keep in mind, you only get asked scramble orders when you click done on combat move. He did not escort his transports, so he didn’t know about the scramble… if scramble options popped up when he moved into combat… he would lose his transports in a lobby game (he could close the program and redo his stuff from the last save posted playing by forum).
Still as bob points out, the first two transports from america were not escorted, neither were the uk transport.
I understand the known bugs as of right now can be a pain. For now I recommend putting a transport in the sea zone to trigger the program’s scramble orders or rolling it out on a forum.
Just because there is a bug, don’t mean you don’t escort your stuff, that is exploiting.
TripleA doesn’t tell you the rules, that is why there is a testing process. There are 205 pages of FAQ for global, this is a pretty extreme game so you have to be flexible as a player when things come up.
205 pages of FAQ.
Anyway, I don’t blame the program when I don’t know the rules or misunderstand the rules. I blame the rules.
So 205 pages of faq, rulebook, alpha1-3 errata. I remember my first game of global, we spent half an hour trying to figure out if west india made 2 ipc for uk or uk pacific, the game just came out at the time and no one had an answer.
Right now no one knows if america makes 15 or 17 for 1941. So yeah, blaming the rules sounds better.
@Cow:
I am just happy triple a is around
So am i. I have never criticized Triple A, i’m very happy to have it, and i’ve spent countless hours in my life, playing with previous versions.
Global is the most complex AA Game ever, and i think it’s just normal that Triple A is not perfect yet.
@Cow:
Anyway the fact remains, Bob would scramble, does Gazza want to send 2 fighters? If yes, then do it. Otherwise, you should take it back.
This is over simplistic point of view man…Please take a SERIOUS look at the maps.
If USA is allowed to redo his turn, then he’s going to send a Destroyer, an aircraft carrier and 2 planes in sz112. And then, what do you think will happen ? Germany’s odds to cancel the attack are very poor…so the USA will take Den and Norw, and UK will take Germany ! That’s why i have been advocating for a gentlemen’s agreement in this situation.
@Cow:
The program should ask for scrambling orders, you are right. However the player should know the rules too.
Keep in mind, you only get asked scramble orders when you click done on combat move. He did not escort his transports, so he didn’t know about the scramble…
Here we are touching the crux of the problem , and by saying this, you’re clearly demonstrating that you haven’t understood it.
Question for you (maybe that will help you understand my position in this thread) :
What if Gazza has, in LOCAL GAME MODE, made all his moves, checked that everything was OK, and then posted his real turn ?? That doesn’t make him a cheater, someone who would want to take back his moves…He thought he was allowed to do that, and so he did. Had the program worked properly, while he was on local game mode, he would have realized that his plan had to be modified because of scrambling possibilities, and the final turn posted would have reflected this, don’t you think ?
Please, take the time to understand all what i said before answering. And keep in mind that Gazza here is cool, he’s not being agressive or of bad faith, and he’s willing to find any solution that would suit both player.
But you know, he could have had this attitude and say : we are both adult players, we have agreed to play with a program, and as far as i’m concerned, i’ve done nothing wrong. So my moves stand, and Germay is mine. Period. It’s not my problem if the program has a bug…
So Cow, i understand that you are “pro” Bobgordon, but please, when judging this situation in this game, take all the parameters into account.
You never redo whole turns especially after battles were conducted. You just take back a few moves, he didn’t know bob could scramble and if bob is a good friend, bam he’ll let him undo it. simple as that.
What is wrong with keeping things simple. Either escort the transports with fighters or put it back in london. What is wrong with that? would to redo the normandy battle without 3 usa air units to escort the usa transports, west germany probably wouldn’t scramble vs usa, when uk only has 2 fighters and west germany only has 3. So he’d fight UK where he has 95% odds to defend.
Either fight or back to london you go. Then play on. It’s just that simple.
The program does not teach the rules.
west germany would not scramble 112. he would scramble 113.
