BobGordon303 vs Gazza

[gazza]

hay bob weatbeer z it was legal

[Guest]

Hello Gazza. It is illegal move. Ask on Forum.  I will find an existing online post and show you.  Meanwhile it is in the rules, if you have the board game, Axis and Allies, Europe, 1940, see rule book page 9, top paragraph: "If your side,)but not necessarily your ower) controlled a canal or narrow straight at the start of your turn, you may move sea units through it (you can’t use it in the same turn that you capture it).  The online game mirrors the board game in that every round you and I are playing is R9, A9, C9, etc - not separate turns, but each power going in order for one turn of allies vs one turn of axis.  I invite you to redo your turn and keep playing legit.

[Guest]

BTW: Gazza  – your USA move- I have the right to scramble my fighters @ Germany at your boat. you Brought nobody along with transports and never gave me that option.  I sink your two transports.  But I also stand by my assertion  - you can’t do what you did.  All the same - your boats were dead on arrival.

[Axisplaya]

Hello guys,

Bobgordon, unfortunately, you are 100 % wrong. If US takes Denmark, then UK playing just after CAN go through the detroit.

I understand that you won’t take if for granted from “random dudes” like me or Wheatbeer on internet. That’s your right, and it’s not a bad thing it itself to stay focus on what you thing is right or wrong.

But there is a solution: here we have the great chance to have Krieghund, aka Kevin Chapman. Kevin is one of the developper of Global 1940, you can find his name in your rulebook. Appointed by Larry Harris himself (the creator of AA), Kevin IS the rule, he wrote that rulebook you’re referring to.

So just go in the FAQ section of the G-40 forum, and ask your question and ask for a reply from him, then you’ll have the most legitimate answer that you can ever find on the internet.

Cheers !

[Guest]

Hey AxisPlaya - I know and respect your game. If my club is playing wrong, I’ve been robbed in the past. But all that aside, I have a German Fighter, two German Tact, an Italian Tact and an Italian Fighter sitting in Germany. And if you look at C9 of the turn Gazza only brought his transports and Did not give me the opportunity to scramble, so I should be able to edit the board, sink the 2 transports with my air and move forward.

[Guest]

Axis - here is a screenshot from time of attack by USA - http://screencast.com/t/54CrXQ0sfX  – now, I can scramble 3 fighters and sink the 2 transports, right?

[Axisplaya]

kay guys, i have opened the 2 last maps, and have reviewed the moves.

1- As stated previously, UK has the right to move through the detroit. This is a sure thing.
So, it apears your club has played it wrong from a long time.

2- AS FOR THE PRESENT GAME AND POSITION: believe it or not, Gazza, but Bobgordon is right on this point : your move is illegal. Not because you came through the detroit, but because you ENDED your combat move with the transport in a sea zone where scrambling could be performed…
It is not entirely your fault: the Triple A program still got some bugs that need to be fixed.

Here is the rule for scrambling (we had the case in another game, where Japan was not allowed to scramble planes while an unescorted transport just went in sz6 and took Korea).

Here is the rule, as it apears in the Global 40 Alpha 3 thread at Larry’s site.

Scrambling is a special movement that the defender can make at the end of the Combat Move phase. It must be done after all of the attacker�s combat movements have been completed and all attacks have been declared. The attacker may not change any combat movements or attacks after the defender has scrambled.
A quick reaction team of no more than 3 defending fighters and tactical bombers (strategic bombers can�t scramble) located on each island or coastal territory that has an operative air base can be scrambled to defend against attacks in the sea zones adjacent to those territories. These air units can be scrambled to help friendly units in adjacent sea zones that have come under attack. They can also be scrambled to resist amphibious assaults from adjacent sea zones, whether or not the territory being assaulted is the territory containing the air base. They may defend against the enemy ships conducting the amphibious assault even if friendly ships are not present.

So, in conclusion, Gazza has (voluntarily or not it doesn’t matter) exploited a bug in the Triple A program and conducted an assaut that should have been made impossible due to scrambling in sz113 by german planes.

Judging what to do now in your game is tough….
And here is why:

If UK is allowed to simply redo his turn, then UK can repair his harbour in London, and move 3 sea zone from sz110, and then go to sz114 and take Germany, with no scrambling allowed, and Germany will be done, it’s game over.
But it’s every player’s responsability to know the rules, and the choice to attack from sz113 was done (and the harbour not repaired), so this has to count for something…

Personally, i would ask the UK player to redo his turn as he wishes, but not to take Germany.
It was a blunder (due to misknowledge of the rules) that make Bobgordon leave Germany so open to a single transport attack, but another blunder made UK attack from sz113 instead of sz114. Since it’s not a Tournament game or a league game, you should do that for the sake of an interesting game.

One thing is sure: if Germany is plundered by a single transport now, it’s game over. So it’s up to you guys to decide if you want to continue this or not.

[Guest]

Hey Axis & All - My planes scramble vs USA - 2 dead transports. UK up and should not be allowed to make the long move due to damaged Harbor.

[Axisplaya]

That’s right. Same bug. Germany should have been allowed to scramble.

Then you run into the same problem.

Should you allow the allies turn to be redone entirely ? If so, they will be able to take Germany with proper play…In the end, it will come down to the same question : do you want to stop the game now (with the loss of Germany), or do you want to continue (not allowing the take of Germany).

[Guest]

Hello Major and Gazza - the issue here is Gazza made a Legal Move of which I was unaware. And because it is Legal, it is okay. I did state we were playing the Alpha 3+ rules and accordng to multiple sources, it is okay.  So I know now that USA can open Denmark and UK can win the game. NP.  However, the same standard needs to apply to Gazza. W Germany can scramble up to 3 fighters AND Gazza sent all his planes elsewhere. During America’s move, there are 2 naked transports sitting in SZ 112 at the end of the Combat Move.  Germany launches scramble option and destroys the boats and troops.  Planes return to W. Germany and play continues. BTW: On UK Turn, There are still 2 Tact bombers that interept UK wants to try and take Denmark.

[Guest]

Haven’t heard back from you. Disappointed by that. This game is unlikely to continue and I doubt we will ever play again. Nor with Axisplaya for me. I’m pretty certain you know the rule that a country can scramble vs a boat. You didn’t think to send any escorts with your transports and by the rules, they are dead because Germany scrambles a fighter and shoots them down. Norway and Denmark do not fall. Axisplaya says, “well, gazza could redo his move. But that’s bs.” I might not have known a rule, but I can assure I do know the rule about escorts and although the game glitched, I’m a gentleman and would not have cheated my opponent because the game didn’t ask for the scramble.  I’m blown away my club plays wrong but I accept that. I was wrong re: Denmark. I’m astounded you forgot to send escorts and now Axisplaya tells me you could re-do your move and the odds are against me. It’s not about redoing a move. This…is…BS.

[gazza]

wait on you scramble to defend a sea zone with your own shipd in it yes.

you cant scramble to a sea zone to attack it. it is a scramble. is for defence of your fleet not to attack.or to protect land

there isant a bug in the game at all

with the russian fleet in the boltic it is not attacking you i cant use it for bombard so you have no right to scramble uk and russia cant attack together just defend so you cant attack when it isant your go just defend.
so if you scramled you would be attacking yes as you have nothing to defend

i dont think you will get it but there you go

[gazza]

tell you what bob as fare as i new you cant scramble if there is nothing to protect and i know you mite of been able to scramle if you was protecting wgermany but i attact germany as fare as i can see you have no planes to protect germany to scramble

but im not 100%on that but anyway if i did my go again i would still take germany but the next sea zone

i cant give you the ind points back but the game is yours gg

[Guest]

gazza - i’m quitting triple a. The rules are very clear - you can scramble whenever there is an attack adjacent to an airbase - including vs transports when USA attacks Norway/Denmark. The game glitched that it didn’t ask for a scramble. I don’t care about the win. Your friend AxisPlaya is the one that said I could scramble - the same authoritity that said the attack at Germany was legit. You forgot to send any gear to cover the transports.  That was a mistake; transports are dead on arrival.

I’m quitting because Axisplaya has a double standard - me losing Germany, I should have known the rule. You not sending gear to cover your transports, you get to re-do your move and send carriers and planes and dice are against me. I have a message from him saying exactly that. He is an experienced player and talking that sort of BS, it is frustrating.

I’ll stick to boardgame.  I know we would never play again nor finish this game. so it goes.

[Gargantua]

Yikes, I just witnessed bob delete his account. :(

Sorry to see you go man, but I guess that’s the Democrat way. :P

[Gargantua]

So Gazza misinterpreted that you can scramble to defend against an amphibious assault in a neighbouring sea zone.  Lesson Learned.

All the transports aren’t necessarily dead though… because the “attacking” power, retains the ability to retreat.  Scrambled planes would get to roll for the first round of defence, and assuming they ALL missed, technically the transports -could- retreat away.

I hope both of you get a better game next time. (FTF or Online)

[Axisplaya]

@bobgordon303:

I’m quitting because Axisplaya has a double standard -

I don’t…I’m no more Gazza’s friend that i am yours.
I have no particular interest into this game, the result of this game, or in making any of the players happy.

Seems to me that Bobgordon is very emotional and wants to see Gazza’s transport sunk and that’s all, end of discution, end of rationality, end of trying to understand each point of view, end of trying to find a FAIR solution for both players.

Would Gazza have done those moves if the Triple A program had been working properly ? I very much doubt that. Bob’s argument is that then Gazza would have cheated because then he would have redone his move…Lol…Bob has to be a noob to say this, because otherwise, he would know that a lot of players (including myself at least for tournament games) just test their turn by playing a LOCAL game turn, just to see how things are going before going with the real play by forum definitive turn…
Bob, have you ever seen a front to front boardgame player taking notes on a paper to evaluate the numbers of units and composition of 2 armies, or rolling a couple of dices just to see what the results could be ? You can see this in about every live session of A&A boardgame if the players are a bit experienced…the same thing goes with Triple A, sometimes, people test their turn using local game mode, and this is not cheating, as you seem to think…

But, as we often see, it is much easier to pretend being a victim and quit, than to try to calm down, discuss, and try to find a gentlemen’s agreement for a friendly game (lol, this is not even a league or tournament game !).

[gazza]

sorry axisplaya about this its not your falt at all you just tryed to help. but if you can see this bob dont quit you was getting the better anyway

dont let this stop you from doing somthing you enjoy its only a game man i would play you anytime

i just hope you come back

and axisplaya was just telling it how it is he never took sides what so ever he was just trying to help

[Cow]

ugh wut the…

Pretty sure you can rewind the clock on this.

[Gargantua]

Nope, you can’t rewind the clock on whiny poor-sportism.