The reason that it can’t offload more than once is that if it did so during combat movement it would be involved, though indirectly, in multiple combats. This would require complicated rules, as there would be cases where it could be done and cases where it could not be done. Transport movement is already complicated enough without adding more exceptions, so it was decided that a transport’s movement would end once it offloads, period, no exceptions. It was felt that any flexibility added by allowing multiple offloads wasn’t worth adding more complication to transport rules.
Is China at least 3 territories?
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Belief ought to never be the default position when coming across new information, in particular on internet forums.
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Well first of all, I don’t see how this topic would be worthy of a prank, since we will know soon enough. You haven’t given me any reason not to believe the guy, you’re speculation wasn’t any more compelling than his supposed first hand knowledge. I just take it for what it is. Lastly, post count in a forum is not a good indication that the person knows what they are talking about. :roll: I just found the notion that the price would be based on outrageous OOP prices to be humorous. I got the impression that he might be one of those who paid hundreds for an OOP copy and is not too happy that a similar game would now go for around $60.
I find it funny that you think a game that cost more than $60 when it came out, has shown since that people are willing to pay well more than $60 for it, will then be reprinted and cost only $60. What type of business is that? :?
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@Col.:
Well first of all, I don’t see how this topic would be worthy of a prank, since we will know soon enough. You haven’t given me any reason not to believe the guy, you’re speculation wasn’t any more compelling than his supposed first hand knowledge. I just take it for what it is. Lastly, post count in a forum is not a good indication that the person knows what they are talking about. :roll: I just found the notion that the price would be based on outrageous OOP prices to be humorous. I got the impression that he might be one of those who paid hundreds for an OOP copy and is not too happy that a similar game would now go for around $60.
I find it funny that you think a game that cost more than $60 when it came out, has shown since that people are willing to pay well more than $60 for it, will then be reprinted and cost only $60. What type of business is that? :?
BTW, never bought anniversary. Paid 35 dollars to have IL’s map printed and have it for much less than market.
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Well…its not the same game (AA50th)
No plastic ICs
No Paper money
No Italy
No China
No NOs
No Tech -
I do not have the board in front of me, so, I do not have all the changes, but here are ones I do know:
a) algeria and libya were 2 territories - now are 3 - add in morrocco - all worth 1 IPC
b) china has been divided into 4 territories (each worth 1 IPC)
c) what was s. europe now has s. europe and I think Italy separate - there is an IC in Italy, but the IPC value is only 3
d) the overall IPC count at the start is almost exactly the same - I think Germany starts with 41 (not 40) and UK starts with 31 (not 30)
e) australia is now two territories (each worth 1 IPC)
f) norway is now split into finland and norway
g) there seems to be just a bit more ‘space’ between germany (berlin) and russia (moscow)
h) africa is just a bit different - including egypt being by itself with I think sudan below it (but sudan is worth nothing)
i) there is now a burma territory
j) western europe is now broken into two pieces - like globalThat is all I can remember ATM…
MM
Wow…if this is true then essentially this IS the AA50 reprint…some new sculpts…revised rules, setup and new map essentially…on top of that its almost guaranteed that the same scuplts if not more will be redone- along with other map corrections and such for the new E40 and P40 in the fall…very exiciting. WOTC has finally done it right- about time.
Wow…said something nice about the games. But wait, I thought All other AA games equaled “Candyland” in comparision to G40?
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How come you have the board before it has been released?
Simple…Because, we got a few copies from Wizards at Origins to give out as prizes and then there is my copy… :-D
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director/GM - GEN CON/Origins/SG -
Wow…said something nice about the games. But wait, I thought All other AA games equaled “Candyland” in comparision to G40?
Yes that is true…but its still a good game and the 1942-2nd edition in essence IS the AA50 reprint- that’s the best were getting with that and that OK with me. C’mon this is WOTC we’re talking about here- I also heard they STILL made mistakes on the production of the 42- 2nd edition and 41 game. :? Bafoons.
Greg, I’m surprised you actually use the “internet”- seeming how you think Triple A/Online players are inferior to your boys at GenCon.
I actually have a way where online players can play the best FTF at GenCon- not this year of course, but next. I think you might find it intriguing…you will have to compromise and work with me, but I believe you will at the very least entertain the idea seriously…are you interested???
Got the idea from running the Detroit Dominion Qualifier for Nationals (which went really well BTW).
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with an invite like that how could he refuse :|
2nd edition review aside, is the release date on the 27th still a go?
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To answer the questions about how I ‘know’ this is on the game - I am fortunate enough to know Greg Smorey - the guy who runs the A&A events at Origins and GenCon. In fact, at GenCon, I am one of his ‘helpers’. So - he has a copy of the game so that we can get working on setting up the rules and how the tournament will be run.
Also we have seen the new 1941 game - I personally will be running all the A&A for Beginners events at GenCon - and this is the game we will use.
You can trust what I have posted is accurate to the extent that my memory did not fail me… :-D
MM
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The 27th is still the target date, yes.
As for this being a reprint of AA50 - well, I could easily see why someone might think that. It is not quite AA50, but it is pretty close really. Also - the 1942 2nd Edition will be the mainstay game in the line going forward.
One thing not mentioned yet is that there are new chips in the game as well - they are pretty cool - have A&A printed on them - and there are three colors - white (1), green (3) and red (5). IIRC the initial reaction was that there were not quite enough of them - not too bad - but more is always better. However - we also had the first ‘dangit, I forgot the green was THREE and not ONE unit’ error early on. In otherwords, while I see where they are going with it, for those of us who have played a LOT of A&A over the years with two chip colors - it will be an adjustment….I almost do not want to use them to be honest…
Oh - and armor cost 6 in this game - not sure if that was mentioned.
MM
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However - we also had the first ‘dangit, I forgot the green was THREE and not ONE unit’ error early on. In otherwords, while I see where they are going with it, for those of us who have played a LOT of A&A over the years with two chip colors - it will be an adjustment….I almost do not want to use them to be honest…
Trust me, you’ll not only get used to them, but you’ll wonder what you ever did without them.
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Thanks for the additional information. Looking forward to seeing some pictures of this game, especially the game board and setup.
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Wow…said something nice about the games.� But wait, I thought All other AA games equaled “Candyland” in comparision to G40?
Greg, I’m surprised you actually use the “internet”- seeming how you think Triple A/Online players are inferior to your boys at GenCon.
Shiloe,
I know we jab at each other a lot, but please don’t ever put words in my mouth when you know they aren’t true.
You know I never said that and that you are the one I believe have beat the FTF players down by making comments like, “they have no idea to play the game” Etc.
I never nor will I ever say that anyone is inferior to any one else especially when it comes to playing AA. All I have said that it is a board game. And when online players come to play FTF, the are in for a big surprise when it comes to playing FTF.
I thought we agreed that we will never really know if one is better than another. So, I am not really sure if you are serious or not, but I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth regarding this. If anything, the whole point, is that online players talk smack about the games but when it comes to playing FTF, well there is one excuse after another.
That is why it is so great that I will get to meet Dave J. again…
Peace,
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director, GM-GEN CON/Origins/SG -
Wow…said something nice about the games.� � But wait, I thought All other AA games equaled “Candyland” in comparision to G40?
Greg, I’m surprised you actually use the “internet”- seeming how you think Triple A/Online players are inferior to your boys at GenCon.
Shiloe,
I know we jab at each other a lot, but please don’t ever put words in my mouth when you know they aren’t true. �
You know I never said that and that you are the one I believe have beat the FTF players down by making comments like, “they have no idea to play the game” Etc.
I never nor will I ever say that anyone is inferior to any one else especially when it comes to playing AA. � All I have said that it is a board game. � And when online players come to play FTF, the are in for a big surprise when it comes to playing FTF. �
I thought we agreed that we will never really know if one is better than another. � So, I am not really sure if you are serious or not, but I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth regarding this. � If anything, the whole point, is that online players talk smack about the games but when it comes to playing FTF, well there is one excuse after another.
That is why it is so great that I will get to meet Dave J. again…
Peace,
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director, GM-GEN CON/Origins/SGFirst spell my name right…Shiloh
Secondly, you HAVE personally attacked online players…don’t make me pull out the emails…checkmate.
Third, let’s throw some ideas around here…what if we were to create tournaments for each of the games here at AA.org: say the new 2nd edition 1942, the new 1941 game, G40 and maybe AA50 (though I think that’s on its way out the door).
These tournaments would be qualifiers so to speak. Â Each of these tournaments would use the format that you use at the FTF tournaments- GenCon/Origins, barring the time constraints of course since online gamers go live or use TripleA/PBF.
The finalists (2 teams from each game type) of each of these tournaments wins a weekend pass to GenCon maybe even with a Hotel stay, and they will all earn and automatic bid to play in the Semi-Finals of each game type. Â Or if you have a Masters tournament- they earn automatic bids to the Masters.
It can happen. Â I can organize it. Â The gauntlet has been laid. Â Those are the terms. Â What do you think???
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Shiloh,
Welcome to the conversation - but here is the key issue with your otherwise interesting suggestion…
You CANNOT discount the time factor. The closest you can come is to agree before the game begins to play a certain number of rounds (typically 5 for 1942 and 6 for anniversary - though it can vary a bit depending on the players).
Other issues are a) the use (or non-use) of a simulator - not allowed in FTF play b) the whole 'you get no break for 4-6 hours deal with FTF tournament c) different victory conditions
I actually think your idea is kinda neat - but - I just don’t see how you get past the time constraints to make things ‘equal’ between FTF and online. Suggestions?
MM
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So I start a thread, and by the third page it’s turned into “Operation Argue-about-stupid-crap”
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Oztea,
Yeah - sorry about that.
China is, BTW, 4 territories - to get back on topic…. :-D
MM
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If these changes are correct I REALLLLY can’t wait for this one. The green chip idea is awesome. It is about time WOTC realized the need for these. Thanks for the info guys I think my buddies will be excited about this one.
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Wow…said something nice about the games.� � But wait, I thought All other AA games equaled “Candyland” in comparision to G40?
Greg, I’m surprised you actually use the “internet”- seeming how you think Triple A/Online players are inferior to your boys at GenCon.
Shiloe,
I know we jab at each other a lot, but please don’t ever put words in my mouth when you know they aren’t true. �
You know I never said that and that you are the one I believe have beat the FTF players down by making comments like, “they have no idea to play the game” Etc.
I never nor will I ever say that anyone is inferior to any one else especially when it comes to playing AA. � All I have said that it is a board game. � And when online players come to play FTF, the are in for a big surprise when it comes to playing FTF. �
I thought we agreed that we will never really know if one is better than another. � So, I am not really sure if you are serious or not, but I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth regarding this. � If anything, the whole point, is that online players talk smack about the games but when it comes to playing FTF, well there is one excuse after another.
That is why it is so great that I will get to meet Dave J. again…
Peace,
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director, GM-GEN CON/Origins/SGFirst spell my name right…Shiloh
Secondly, you HAVE personally attacked online players…don’t make me pull out the emails…checkmate.
Third, let’s throw some ideas around here…what if we were to create tournaments for each of the games here at AA.org: say the new 2nd edition 1942, the new 1941 game, G40 and maybe AA50 (though I think that’s on its way out the door).
These tournaments would be qualifiers so to speak. � Each of these tournaments would use the format that you use at the FTF tournaments- GenCon/Origins, barring the time constraints of course since online gamers go live or use TripleA/PBF.
The finalists (2 teams from each game type) of each of these tournaments wins a weekend pass to GenCon maybe even with a Hotel stay, and they will all earn and automatic bid to play in the Semi-Finals of each game type. � Or if you have a Masters tournament- they earn automatic bids to the Masters.
It can happen. � I can organize it. � The gauntlet has been laid. � Those are the terms. � What do you think???
Ok, sorry about that, it was a typo…but then, have at it. I have NEVER said that “Triple A/Online players are inferior to your boys at GenCon.” You can staring looking because you won’t find it unless somehow you have a way to change what I said to you.
I have said that online players have a hard time adjusting when they play FTF players at any CON when they aren’t used to the system and a lot of times, do get their butts kicked. But I never said they are inferior. :roll:
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Shiloh,
Welcome to the conversation - but here is the key issue with your otherwise interesting suggestion…
You CANNOT discount the time factor. The closest you can come is to agree before the game begins to play a certain number of rounds (typically 5 for 1942 and 6 for anniversary - though it can vary a bit depending on the players).
Other issues are a) the use (or non-use) of a simulator - not allowed in FTF play b) the whole 'you get no break for 4-6 hours deal with FTF tournament c) different victory conditions
I actually think your idea is kinda neat - but - I just don’t see how you get past the time constraints to make things ‘equal’ between FTF and online. Suggestions?
MM
Mike,
Right, the time factor cannot really be done except by estimating rounds. We would probably do up to a certain number of rounds- 1 round per 1hr. So for instance in the AA50 game we would do 6 rounds flat b/c its a 6 hour tourny.
As far as the simulator, its a simple battlecalc on a phone app we could use. I just simply gives the odds- that’s its- nothing to be intimidated about. It really doesn’t give you much of an advantage. Its just a handy tool. Have you banned this from the GenCon tourny??? I don’t see that ban in any of the rules Greg posted.
I do Dominion qualifiers here and for Dominion (as well as Catan, 7Wonders I believe also) they hold FTF Qualifiers AND Online qualifiers. Now the online qualifiers for Dominion use a point/card counter- again its a tool but not a huge advantage. Never really made a difference and the Nationals proved it.
I figure if these other great games allow winners of online qualifiers into their national tournaments, why shouldn’t Axis and Allies???
Greg has recently challenged the online players saying essentially if they really know how to play then they should just come to his tournaments and proof it. OK then, if the best of these online gamers come to GenCon (some may come from out of the country- Canada and elsewhere), and come to play in a format on HIS terms (which most of the online gamers despise), then the least we would require is automatic bids from our own qualifiers for teams in the semi-finals or masters- regardless if our online qualifiers have a “time constraint”.
If you and Greg are even remotely interested in this, that would be meeting us halfway and compromising.
The point is many other popular game systems have “Online” Qualifiers. They respect the competitive play online enough to give them a couple automatic bids.
Greg, from my conversations with him, doesn’t seem to respect the play here on Triple A and AA.org. He was pretty upset with the whole Alpha project simply because Larry chose to wisely use and listen to the online community of AA players over him. He mocked the online players and their knowledge of the game and stated that they didn’t know what was good for the game and such. Now mind you he did this during the time I thoroughly updated him on Alpha project only by his invitation to help create a G40 tourny format for GenCon/Origins.
With every criticism of the changes made in G40, I had to walk him through why those decisions were made and why they were the best solutions. He was very uninformed with the G40 development and really didn’t understand the game’s strategies and flow. Its very different from the others. Much more complex. He kinda took offense to that and thinks the online gamers “brainwashed” Larry. Yes, that is a direct quote. So him saying he never said anything like that is a flat out lie.
I shot back at him quickly saying he needs to show a little more respect to the online AAplayers who play the games 5-10 times more than his FTF guys do and have spent a lot of unselfish time working with Larry on the project. So I know he says one thing in front of others but he definitely feels a different way behind closed doors. Point being, his ego gets in the way of progress sometimes.
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