XDAP round 2: Numenoreans vs. AllWeNeedIsTank

[KurtGodel7]

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 factory_minor, 8 infantry, 2 submarines and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 submarine moved from 2 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 2 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            2 battleships moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 35 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            7 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Wake Island to 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Japanese scrambles 2 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone
            Battle in 6 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                retreated to 6 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in 36 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 2 fighters, 7 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 2 transports
                Units damaged: 2 carriers owned by the Japanese and 2 battleships owned by the Japanese
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese
                Units damaged: 2 battleships owned by the Americans and 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                Americans win, taking 36 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 battleships, 1 carrier and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 97
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 2 transports
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 5 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans win with 2 battleships, 1 carrier and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 97
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 2 transports
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 5 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
                Americans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Recording Battle Statistics
            Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Guam
            4 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 16 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
            1 artillery moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
            1 carrier moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            2 fighters moved from Western United States to Wake Island
            2 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 battleship moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
            2 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco

Place Units - Americans
            1 factory_minor placed in Iraq
            1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in Western United States
            1 submarine placed in 2 Sea Zone
            1 submarine and 3 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
            6 infantry placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 55 PUs; end with 59 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs

US_7.tsvg

[KurtGodel7]

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: games.strategy.engine.data.ProductionFrontier called productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            Giving bonus movement to units
            3 infantry moved from Hopei to Anhwe
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Anhwe

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Anhwe
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 3 armour and 1 infantry
                Chinese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 armour and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry
                Chinese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 armour and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            4 infantry moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kweichow

Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Kweichow

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs total

[KurtGodel7]

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 destroyer, 5 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to British Somaliland
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
            1 armour moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
                  British take Holland Belgium from Germans
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to France
            1 bomber moved from Tobruk to Northern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland

Combat - British
            Battle in British Somaliland
                British attack with 1 armour and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking British Somaliland from Italians with 1 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                British win with 1 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Strategic bombing raid in France
                1 bomber killed by AA guns
                Bombing raid in France causes 0 damage total.
            Strategic bombing raid in Northern Italy
            Bombing raid in Northern Italy causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in Northern Italy causes 4 damage total.
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Tobruk
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
            2 infantry moved from Syria to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
            3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            2 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 armour moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory
            2 infantry moved from Kenya to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 armour moved from Union of South Africa to Tanganyika Territory
            1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Greece to 99 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 aaGun moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 battleship moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in 71 Sea Zone
            3 infantry placed in Egypt
            2 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 39 PUs; end with 40 PUs total

UK7.tsvg

[Hank13]

I have a bit of a problem. I would not have chosen to scramble any fighters in Japan for the attack in sea zone 6 if given that option. Considering I lost a fighter in that battle I’m kinda annoyed, as now it looks like I’m trying to take back a move.

Anybody have any thoughts on how to reconcile this?

[Gargantua]

Yep.

Kurt SHOULD have asked if you wanted to scramble.  He didn’t… not cool.  Fortunately for him you’re being honest.

Put your Japanese fighter back on the board, negate any rolls by the fighters.  Check if the Destroyer hit or didn’t.

Then let the americans decide what they’re doing with their sub/bomber if they lived vs the DST.

[KurtGodel7]

@Hank13:

I have a bit of a problem. I would not have chosen to scramble any fighters in Japan for the attack in sea zone 6 if given that option. Considering I lost a fighter in that battle I’m kinda annoyed, as now it looks like I’m trying to take back a move.

Anybody have any thoughts on how to reconcile this?

Sorry about that.

You can edit back your lost fighter. If your fighters got a hit, then please edit back the U.S. sub too.

[KurtGodel7]

@Gargantua:

Yep.

Kurt SHOULD have asked if you wanted to scramble.  He didn’t… not cool.  Fortunately for him you’re being honest.

Put your Japanese fighter back on the board, negate any rolls by the fighters.  Check if the Destroyer hit or didn’t.

Then let the americans decide what they’re doing with their sub/bomber if they lived vs the DST.

I can’t argue with what you’ve written. I was feeling impatient, and just assumed that he’d want to scramble, because that’s what I would have done in his place. I guess it’s silly for me to assume everyone else will always agree with me!

[KurtGodel7]

I just checked my emails for the MARTI die rolls, and Japan’s rolls in that battle were 5,6,1. Meaning the hit came from one of the fighters. Hank, you’re welcome to edit back your fighter, as long as you edit back the U.S. sub as well.

[Hank13]

Ok will do. I will edit the fighter and the sub on my Italian turn.

[KurtGodel7]

@Hank13:

Ok will do. I will edit the fighter and the sub on my Italian turn.

Sounds good. Sorry about this.

[Gargantua]

WHOAH WHAOH WHOAH

Hang on.

Read the title of the email.

I believe what gets mentioned first, is what’s rolling.

If it reads

“Dice for 1 destroyer 2 fighters”.  then yes, a fighter hit.

But if it’s “2 fights 1 destroyer,” then I believe the destroyer hit…

Let me ask Veqryn, this has come up before…

[Gargantua]

I’ve been going over one of my games.  Maybe my initial thought is wrong.

Look at this

2 bombers and 3 fighters in 16 Sea Zone, round 1‏

Your dice are: 4,3,4,3,5

That only amounted to 2 hits scored, so the bombers WERE calculated after the fighters, despite the fighters being 2nd in the title.

[KurtGodel7]

@Gargantua:

I’ve been going over one of my games.  Maybe my initial thought is wrong.

Look at this

2 bombers and 3 fighters in 16 Sea Zone, round 1‏

Your dice are: 4,3,4,3,5

That only amounted to 2 hits scored, so the bombers WERE calculated after the fighters, despite the fighters being 2nd in the title.

If there’s any ambiguity, the benefit of the doubt should work against me. (I was the one who messed up.) Besides, the sub isn’t that critical to the U.S.'s Pacific strategy anyway.

But for what it’s worth, the text of the email was as follows:

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27679:Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 6 Sea Zone, round 1

Your dice are: 5,6,1
Have a nice day.

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This is an automatically created email of the TripleA Ladder. Please don’t reply to it.

Verification Info: Follow this link to check if your dice are authentic
http://dice.tripleawarclub.org/MARTI_verify.php?date=2012-06&iv=RtGAsjlYfWhj5tQdQ77U6nyUNtFDcS8YsrOJwgW%2BL5M%3D&enc=6dF4J63B%2BvI0GIYYsUsPKbA%2BXVpUoZbcwgtqMV%2FIozz%2BgEaeWE7bM6RCahLBk8sUS%2Ft1CEjQH2P9FTQt3V4mOI6HIVdZ%2Fxlp4HS6ucJKanXkrRrT5%2BX4cyMSrMe3w%2BHbO1XjqtId9ZPE91Vlbe44jsWs2nUOq6EFLTQtHsx%2FBhAWQYjUva%2F6qJEr2RRGRKq7vv92o4jDTn%2B2yhVrWXMOcYBYhr2p2wWV9GrGWy0lzqg0VfOuPW5OliuLw3FUy5wU5RAMFNg7nfaIa6fp4JynaGuZJmW2IimYALJcKAsVu5Rf1k19OxbQnnZfdMZ7LqSUoHraMW4sUl7f2%2BuG6BXCersm

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[DeadTom]

I have a lot of experience with PBEM games and I routinely read the dice e-mails to see what happened in the battles (rather than simply seeing the result). The dice e-mails list units in alphabetical order in the title, but they list the rolls in order of the attack values of the units involved. The rolls for weaker units are shown first (the destroyer) followed by the stronger units (the fighters).

[allweneedislove]

kurt, no problem about the mistake, we all make them.

i would have scrambled the planes if i was controlling japan.

guys it is very simple to find out what hit, go to the saved game file, go to the history and check out the usa’s combat.

it was a fighter that hit so hankthetank will edit back the fighter and the sub.

[allweneedislove]

@Hank13:

Anybody have any thoughts on how to reconcile this?

yeah dont dangle our entire ijn in striking distance of the us navy.

you better start rebuilding or usa will own the pacific.

[allweneedislove]

@DeadTom:

I have a lot of experience with PBEM games and I routinely read the dice e-mails to see what happened in the battles (rather than simply seeing the result). The dice e-mails list units in alphabetical order in the title, but they list the rolls in order of the attack values of the units involved. The rolls for weaker units are shown first (the destroyer) followed by the stronger units (the fighters).

thanks for the tip tom

[KurtGodel7]

@allweneedislove:

kurt, no problem about the mistake, we all make them.

i would have scrambled the planes if i was controlling japan.

guys it is very simple to find out what hit, go to the saved game file, go to the history and check out the usa’s combat.

it was a fighter that hit so hankthetank will edit back the fighter and the sub.

Thanks!

Also, I appreciate Tom’s clarification of the MARTI die rolling system.

[KurtGodel7]

Italy is up.

[Hank13]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.9

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 bomber; Remaining resources: 10 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Sikang
                  Italians take Sikang from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Tsinghai
                  Italians take Tsinghai from Chinese
            1 artillery moved from Kazakhstan to Novosibirsk
                  Italians take Novosibirsk from Russians

Combat - Italians
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus

Place Units - Italians
            1 bomber placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 22 PUs; end with 32 PUs total
            Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Territory Summary for Italians :

Tsinghai : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Sikang : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Kazakhstan : 1 flag,    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Northern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_major and 10 infantry
    Southern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 14 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    Rostov : 1 flag,    Bessarabia : 1 flag,    Tambov : 1 flag,    Western Ukraine : 1 flag,    Novosibirsk : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    Caucasus : 1 flag, 1 infantry