Wheatbeer (axis) v axisplaya (allies +8)

[wheatbeer]

No scramble this time.

[wheatbeer]

I just checked out the Powers That Begin the Game Neutral (I always read the FAQ posts) and the transport loading situation on a DOW turn is actually listed as an exception.

I feel bad since I have an open tourney game that’s going to be messed up now.

[Axisplaya]

@wheatbeer:

I just checked out the Powers That Begin the Game Neutral (I always read the FAQ posts) and the transport loading situation on a DOW turn is actually listed as an exception.

I feel bad since I have an open tourney game that’s going to be messed up now.

Yup….i just asked it on the FAQ to be sure.

So it’s another bug from Triple A…Going to mention it to Veqryn.

[wheatbeer]

I wish this exception was listed on page 13 of the rules (Units Starting in Hostile Sea Zones) … rules in the game still surprising me  :lol:

[wheatbeer]

kcdzim seems to be saying that neither Japan nor the UK aren’t technically powers that that begin the game neutral … I am not 100% sure, but he may be saying that the rule on page 15 won’t apply to our SZ36 scenario.

[wheatbeer]

*are

[Axisplaya]

even if Japan and UK start the game being “at war”, they are not at war with each other. So the rules p.15 still apply. I’m 99,9% sure about that.
That issue, in that sea zone precisely, has been adressed by Krieg in the past. Just can’t find it in the 195 pages thread.

[wheatbeer]

I was confused by what he said about neutrality.  Maybe he said that with reference to the China issue, not the transport issue.

Veqryn’s going to be really unhappy if they’re both errors.

[wheatbeer]

@Axisplaya:

So the rules p.15 still apply. I’m 99,9% sure about that.

kcdzim gave a more explicit answer, and you’re correct

Do you can if I offload the men on my transports in SZ36?

[Axisplaya]

lol, no. offload them. I’m not going to stick a dd in there anyway.

[Axisplaya]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :1

Combat Move - British
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
                  UK_Pacific take Sumatra from Dutch
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            Game Loaded
                Japanese are now being played by: Human
                Germans are now being played by: Human
                French is now being played by: Human
                British are now being played by: Human
                Chinese are now being played by: Human
                Dutch is now being played by: Human
                Neutral_Axis are now being played by: Human
                Neutral_Allies are now being played by: Human
                ANZAC is now being played by: Human
                Russians are now being played by: Human
                UK_Pacific is now being played by: Human
                Mongolians are now being played by: Human
                Neutral_True is now being played by: Human
                Italians are now being played by: Human
                Americans are now being played by: Human

Combat - British
            Battle in 106 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                British win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                British win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
                Casualties for British: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                British win with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
                Casualties for British: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 111 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to Eire
                  British take Eire from Neutral_Allies
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: British player Removing units owned by PlayerID named:Russians from Kazakhstan: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: British player Adding units owned by PlayerID named:Russians to Turkmenistan: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Place Units - British
            10 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 33 PUs

[Axisplaya]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :1

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs total
                Some units change owners in territory India

[wheatbeer]

Italy attacked SZ97 (UK dest, cruiser, carrier, fig) with all available units (sub, dest, cru, 2 fig, 1 strat).

I rolled 3 hits for round 1, what OOL do you want?

(note: also attacked Yugoslavia, Tunisia, Kenya, Sudan / Buy 1 dest)

[Axisplaya]

kill AC and fgt

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 1 :  2/5 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
                Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 1 infantry
                Italians win with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 1 infantry
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 1 :  1/4 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tunisia
                Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Italians win with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/4 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians , 1 fighter owned by the Italians , 1 submarine owned by the Italians , 1 fighter owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser owned by the Italians retreated to 95 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier and 1 fighter
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            Recording Battle Statistics
            Trigger Italians Conquer France: Setting turns to 1-+ for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation attached to French
            Trigger Japanese Conquer France: Setting turns to 1-+ for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation attached to French
            Setting uses for triggers used this phase.

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun and 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            4 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya

Place Units - Italians
            1 destroyer placed in 95 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 12 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 14 PUs total

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 40 / 73
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 26 / 33
    UK_Pacific : 21 / 21
    Italians : 15 / 14
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 11 / 0
    Dutch : 7 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

I really needed the UK to under-hit there not over-hit.  Now it’s likely Germany will lose even more planes to mop up.

[Axisplaya]

yeah, 3 hits out of 4…that’s disgusting…

[Axisplaya]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            Giving bonus movement to units
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
                  ANZAC take Java from Dutch
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to Northern Territory

Combat - ANZAC
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total

[Axisplaya]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :1

Politics - French
            French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
            French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - French
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                  French take Holland Belgium from Germans
            1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone

Combat - French
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :2

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 7 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 8 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            3 armour moved from Romania to Greece
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Greece
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 96 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
                Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Holland Belgium
                Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from French with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Germans win with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 2 artilleries
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                    Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries in Normandy Bordeaux, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery
                Germans win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 1 :  4/8 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 1 :  1/4 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans and 4 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
                Germans win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Germans win with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Germans win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Yugoslavia
            6 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 97 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

Place Units - Germans
            1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 112 Sea Zone
            6 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in Germany
            1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Western Germany
            Germans undo move 3.
            1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Western Germany
            1 infantry placed in Southern France

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 54
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 26 / 33
    UK_Pacific : 21 / 21
    Italians : 15 / 14
    ANZAC : 14 / 14
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 3 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0