It’s a matter of Faith and what you hold to be the truth. That may not be what someone else holds to be the truth. I’m telling you now that none of this can be proven. It’s a matter of faith. Personally, I believe that the Christian Bible is true as a whole. Some of it might be just stories (like the story of creation-that might be just there to explain why we do things wrong.) The Bible was written down by humans, who are by nature imperfect people, so of course there will be discrepancies. it comes down to what you believe as a person.
TG Moses - your state government…
What’s that?
Do you believe the Qu’ran is true? Do you believe the teachings of the Buda are true? Do you believe the stories of the Ancient Greeks are true?
They all have the same credibility. Some are inspriational, like the Teachings of Buda. However, the Christian Bible is a bond of slavery for it’s worshippers, unlike most teachings.
Do you believe the Qu’ran is true? Do you believe the teachings of the Buda are true? Do you believe the stories of the Ancient Greeks are true?
They all have the same credibility. Some are inspriational, like the Teachings of Buda. However, the Christian Bible is a bond of slavery for it’s worshippers, unlike most teachings.
that is the perspective of someone who is not a Christian. One might say the same of marriage - that it is a bond of slavery. Many married men might agree, however for those happily married it is a bond of love - of give and receive. We do things not so much because of fear or command, but as St. Augustine said “love God and do what you like”. That’s not slavery to me.
I depends on what type of Christians you’re talking about. Some Christians are tightly knit groups that follow their religious doctrines to the letter. Others are people who take a rather easy approach through life and follow the general meaning of the Bible. It’s all up to you.
The Bible is a collection of stories, and even I admit there are some really good stories in there, but like all stories, its still fiction.
The last time I checked, fiction does not turn into reality. Yanny, how do you explain the fulfilled prophesies of the OT?
Do you think the life of Jesus was made up? He has been shown to exist.
How are eyewitness accounts fiction?
well actully allot of Mein Kampfe took place and every thought that that was fiction when it first happend. u see the bible sateting that somethignw ill happen, when people beleive it they exepct it to happen and wait for it so when something comes along that resembles the prophecy they thik thats it. people beleive and see what they want to see or hear
I’m saying that if someone believes in the Christian/Jew/Muslim bible, they do not realise they believe in a slave pact.
@Anonymouswell:
A very good example of biblical prophesy being fulfilled is like having three major cities (Eg. L.A.; San Fran.; and San Diego).
The Bible lists the names of all three cities. It says City A will be destroyed and NEVER rebuilt again; City B will be destroyed, but will be rebuilt; and City C will not be touched. These are all major cities, just like major cities of today.
If it was left at that, you could say the odds are in the prophet’s favor of occurring. However, the prophesies go farther. They list HOW they will be destroyed and if the city is or is not to be rebuilt, it lists specific attributes about its remains.
When this is fulfilled, you think Christians are twisting history to fit a fulfillment?
This is the type of stuff that is in the Bible. Mein Kampfe does not have this precision or breath of fulfillment.
I’m saying that if someone believes in the Christian/Jew/Muslim bible, they do not realise they believe in a slave pact.
How is the preaching of love for one another a slave pact. Your “God the facist” thing was already shot down. Why don’t you list your definition of a slave pact and show how Christianity fits into it?
Well I sure as hope LA isn’t City A :wink:
Anyways, what prophecies in the Bible have been fulfilled with such precision and accuracy at the particular date and time?
Someone who doesn’t see their God as a Facist Dictator in any of those 3 Religions are blinded by their faith. Do you think your God won’t flood the world for sin again? He did it once, and I bet you we are a hell of a lot worse than those people he flooded.
@Anonymous:
@Anonymouswell:
A very good example of biblical prophesy being fulfilled is like having three major cities (Eg. L.A.; San Fran.; and San Diego).
The Bible lists the names of all three cities. It says City A will be destroyed and NEVER rebuilt again; City B will be destroyed, but will be rebuilt; and City C will not be touched. These are all major cities, just like major cities of today.
If it was left at that, you could say the odds are in the prophet’s favor of occurring. However, the prophesies go farther. They list HOW they will be destroyed and if the city is or is not to be rebuilt, it lists specific attributes about its remains.
When this is fulfilled, you think Christians are twisting history to fit a fulfillment?
This is the type of stuff that is in the Bible. Mein Kampfe does not have this precision or breath of fulfillment.
That’s not proof of bible prophacy as far as I’m concerned.
Its an example of a self-fulfilling porphacy.The bible says such and such a city will be destroyed and not rebuild, so people don’t rebuild the city….suddenly its a prophacy being fulfilled.
Someone who doesn’t see their God as a Facist Dictator in any of those 3 Religions are blinded by their faith. Do you think your God won’t flood the world for sin again? He did it once, and I bet you we are a hell of a lot worse than those people he flooded.
I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.
Also God promised he would not flood the world again. Also there are many more people who are faithful to God than there were back then. Also the nature of God’s relationship with the people of this earth has changed considerably over the last 5000 years.
I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.
Fascist is maybe a little exagerated… but you must admit the concept of “those who don,t believe in me will have eternal punishment” is 10 time more horrible than what Hitler and Stalin have done.
Also God promised he would not flood the world again.
He is good, he will not make a second worldwide genocide :)
Seriously, you say that like he did flooded the world once :)
I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.
Fascist is maybe a little exagerated… but you must admit the concept of “those who don,t believe in me will have eternal punishment” is 10 time more horrible than what Hitler and Stalin have done.
Well, according to my religion, no one goes to hell for eternity. It is just a place where you go to cleanse the soul of any sins and then you go to heaven in the end.
I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.
Fascist is maybe a little exagerated… but you must admit the concept of “those who don,t believe in me will have eternal punishment” is 10 time more horrible than what Hitler and Stalin have done.
I thought we’d dealt with this (about 4 or 5 times . . . it’s getting tedious).
Those who don’t want to have a relationship with God don’t have a relationship with God.
Those who do, do.
I thought we’d dealt with this (about 4 or 5 times . . . it’s getting tedious).
Those who don’t want to have a relationship with God don’t have a relationship with God.
Those who do, do.
Those who did’nt follow hitler did not. And die
Those who did, did. And did’nt die (most…)
Those who did’nt follow God, have eternal punishment
Those who did follow god, have eternal joy…
Obviously, that is if god would exist…
Seem to me that, on that aspect, god is worse than our mortal tyrant. On that i agree with Yanny.
Fin
@Fin:
I thought we’d dealt with this (about 4 or 5 times . . . it’s getting tedious).
Those who don’t want to have a relationship with God don’t have a relationship with God.
Those who do, do.Those who did’nt follow hitler did not. And die
Those who did, did. And did’nt die (most…)Those who did’nt follow God, have eternal punishment
Those who did follow god, have eternal joy…Obviously, that is if god would exist…
Seem to me that, on that aspect, god is worse than our mortal tyrant. On that i agree with Yanny.
Fin
but to an atheist, would eternal punishment not be an eternity with a God that you spent your entire life slamming?
And for a theist, would eternal joy not be an eternity with a God spent worshipping?
(conversely an atheist would prefer an eternity without God and a theist would be punished by an eternity without God).
This, to me, is the ultimate choice. We live our lives on earth as we will. We choose how to live, who to worship (or not), and ultimately we enjoy (or suffer) the consequences of our actions.
Of course using your analogy, any earthly authority might be seen as a tyrant - if i follow my bosses orders, i may keep my job, if i do not, i lose my job. If i kill another human i spend my life incarcerated, if i do not, then i am less likely to spend my life incarcerated. Certainly we make choices, and live or die, suffer or not, however we do not consider the enforcer of the consequences of these decisions tyrants, do we? The hot stove, the russian-roulette pistol, etc. Then why blame God for our decision to be or not to be with him? This is rather childish, but an attitude one might expect from a people continually looking to absolve themselves of any personal responsibility, as is the “epidemic” of our world.
Either way the Almighty will accept you. The hard part is whether or not you will accept him. I do not think anybody deserves eternal punishment.
