A) The “Nature of Human Beings” as the Bible describes is exactly how you say it is. We desire sex outside of marriage, we want to let out a loud obscenity when we stub our toe, and we want to generally look out for Number One. The Bible, however, never claims that doing right is natural. The Bible is clear that doing right ( at least, Biblical Morals) is very difficult and can only be done consistently with direct assistance from God. Our “Nature” didn’t even KNOW WHAT wrong was at first. Then Adam and Eve ate of the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. From then on, all humanity had what Christians call a sin nature… a NATURAL tendency towards ones one ways… it is natural…
B) Finsternis… If you throw away all religion, what foundation can declare a difference between premarital sex and adultery? Neither is wrong, IF YOU SAY SO. Who am I, or who is CC to tell you otherwise?
@city:
A) The “Nature of Human Beings” as the Bible describes is exactly how you say it is. We desire sex outside of marriage, we want to let out a loud obscenity when we stub our toe, and we want to generally look out for Number One. The Bible, however, never claims that doing right is natural. The Bible is clear that doing right ( at least, Biblical Morals) is very difficult and can only be done consistently with direct assistance from God. Our “Nature” didn’t even KNOW WHAT wrong was at first. Then Adam and Eve ate of the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. From then on, all humanity had what Christians call a sin nature… a NATURAL tendency towards ones one ways… it is natural…
B) Finsternis… If you throw away all religion, what foundation can declare a difference between premarital sex and adultery? Neither is wrong, IF YOU SAY SO. Who am I, or who is CC to tell you otherwise?
a) agreed. There may be more to sex than just “having a good time” - i know non-Christians who claim it to be an important psycho-social act blah blah blah
b) also agree. There is the golden rule tho’ - i don’t want my hunny cheating on me, so i won’t cheat on her . . . although that also is a biblical principal.
@city:
A) The “Nature of Human Beings” as the Bible describes is exactly how you say it is. We desire sex outside of marriage, we want to let out a loud obscenity when we stub our toe, and we want to generally look out for Number One. The Bible, however, never claims that doing right is natural. The Bible is clear that doing right ( at least, Biblical Morals) is very difficult and can only be done consistently with direct assistance from God. Our “Nature” didn’t even KNOW WHAT wrong was at first. Then Adam and Eve ate of the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. From then on, all humanity had what Christians call a sin nature… a NATURAL tendency towards ones one ways… it is natural…
If you really believe Adam and Eve have existed, all discussion are pointless…
Anyway it is still like i said; what is natural is sins.
B) Finsternis… If you throw away all religion, what foundation can declare a difference between premarital sex and adultery? Neither is wrong, IF YOU SAY SO. Who am I, or who is CC to tell you otherwise?
Ho… the ultimate lazy argument, if nobody can think for me, what will i do ? No seriously i do not believe something is “evil”, but there is some things i feel are not ok, not evil, just wrong, but i am just not saying it is “universal”, that a little guy out there said it was not ok to commit “adultery”. I have an ethic my friend, like most atheist, i just don’t say it’s “THE” ethic, i don’t believe i have the “truth”, i just have my opinions.
@Mr:
Why are apes and man so close in appearance? Did God run out of imagination?
Hahaha :lol: Sorry but this was so funny to resist
I havn’t read much of the bible, but what I know of it, is suspect right from the beginning.
I’m I suppose to belive that the human race was started with just 2 people. Thats a big family( with a big history of incest).
Using the Law of Endangered and Extinct Species, it is impossible for 2 people to give birth to so many generations, let alone survive after the first few generations. Usually (and this is being conservative), it is 20 or below when the course of extinction is irrecoverable (unless God had access to genetic cloning or genetic engineering of some sort)
@CC:
A) It does not conflict with the bible if you do not believe in a 7 24-hour creation
Do you actually believe in this? Or is it young Earth creationist running amok?
@city:
B) Finsternis… If you throw away all religion, what foundation can declare a difference between premarital sex and adultery
Uh, there is a big difference. It is impossible to have premarital sex (assuming with someone else), while married.
It’s a matter of Faith and what you hold to be the truth. That may not be what someone else holds to be the truth. I’m telling you now that none of this can be proven. It’s a matter of faith. Personally, I believe that the Christian Bible is true as a whole. Some of it might be just stories (like the story of creation-that might be just there to explain why we do things wrong.) The Bible was written down by humans, who are by nature imperfect people, so of course there will be discrepancies. it comes down to what you believe as a person.
TG Moses - your state government…
What’s that?
Do you believe the Qu’ran is true? Do you believe the teachings of the Buda are true? Do you believe the stories of the Ancient Greeks are true?
They all have the same credibility. Some are inspriational, like the Teachings of Buda. However, the Christian Bible is a bond of slavery for it’s worshippers, unlike most teachings.
Do you believe the Qu’ran is true? Do you believe the teachings of the Buda are true? Do you believe the stories of the Ancient Greeks are true?
They all have the same credibility. Some are inspriational, like the Teachings of Buda. However, the Christian Bible is a bond of slavery for it’s worshippers, unlike most teachings.
that is the perspective of someone who is not a Christian. One might say the same of marriage - that it is a bond of slavery. Many married men might agree, however for those happily married it is a bond of love - of give and receive. We do things not so much because of fear or command, but as St. Augustine said “love God and do what you like”. That’s not slavery to me.
I depends on what type of Christians you’re talking about. Some Christians are tightly knit groups that follow their religious doctrines to the letter. Others are people who take a rather easy approach through life and follow the general meaning of the Bible. It’s all up to you.
The Bible is a collection of stories, and even I admit there are some really good stories in there, but like all stories, its still fiction.
The last time I checked, fiction does not turn into reality. Yanny, how do you explain the fulfilled prophesies of the OT?
Do you think the life of Jesus was made up? He has been shown to exist.
How are eyewitness accounts fiction?
well actully allot of Mein Kampfe took place and every thought that that was fiction when it first happend. u see the bible sateting that somethignw ill happen, when people beleive it they exepct it to happen and wait for it so when something comes along that resembles the prophecy they thik thats it. people beleive and see what they want to see or hear
I’m saying that if someone believes in the Christian/Jew/Muslim bible, they do not realise they believe in a slave pact.
@Anonymouswell:
A very good example of biblical prophesy being fulfilled is like having three major cities (Eg. L.A.; San Fran.; and San Diego).
The Bible lists the names of all three cities. It says City A will be destroyed and NEVER rebuilt again; City B will be destroyed, but will be rebuilt; and City C will not be touched. These are all major cities, just like major cities of today.
If it was left at that, you could say the odds are in the prophet’s favor of occurring. However, the prophesies go farther. They list HOW they will be destroyed and if the city is or is not to be rebuilt, it lists specific attributes about its remains.
When this is fulfilled, you think Christians are twisting history to fit a fulfillment?
This is the type of stuff that is in the Bible. Mein Kampfe does not have this precision or breath of fulfillment.
I’m saying that if someone believes in the Christian/Jew/Muslim bible, they do not realise they believe in a slave pact.
How is the preaching of love for one another a slave pact. Your “God the facist” thing was already shot down. Why don’t you list your definition of a slave pact and show how Christianity fits into it?
Well I sure as hope LA isn’t City A :wink:
Anyways, what prophecies in the Bible have been fulfilled with such precision and accuracy at the particular date and time?
Someone who doesn’t see their God as a Facist Dictator in any of those 3 Religions are blinded by their faith. Do you think your God won’t flood the world for sin again? He did it once, and I bet you we are a hell of a lot worse than those people he flooded.
@Anonymous:
@Anonymouswell:
A very good example of biblical prophesy being fulfilled is like having three major cities (Eg. L.A.; San Fran.; and San Diego).
The Bible lists the names of all three cities. It says City A will be destroyed and NEVER rebuilt again; City B will be destroyed, but will be rebuilt; and City C will not be touched. These are all major cities, just like major cities of today.
If it was left at that, you could say the odds are in the prophet’s favor of occurring. However, the prophesies go farther. They list HOW they will be destroyed and if the city is or is not to be rebuilt, it lists specific attributes about its remains.
When this is fulfilled, you think Christians are twisting history to fit a fulfillment?
This is the type of stuff that is in the Bible. Mein Kampfe does not have this precision or breath of fulfillment.
That’s not proof of bible prophacy as far as I’m concerned.
Its an example of a self-fulfilling porphacy.The bible says such and such a city will be destroyed and not rebuild, so people don’t rebuild the city….suddenly its a prophacy being fulfilled.
Someone who doesn’t see their God as a Facist Dictator in any of those 3 Religions are blinded by their faith. Do you think your God won’t flood the world for sin again? He did it once, and I bet you we are a hell of a lot worse than those people he flooded.
I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.
Also God promised he would not flood the world again. Also there are many more people who are faithful to God than there were back then. Also the nature of God’s relationship with the people of this earth has changed considerably over the last 5000 years.
I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.
Fascist is maybe a little exagerated… but you must admit the concept of “those who don,t believe in me will have eternal punishment” is 10 time more horrible than what Hitler and Stalin have done.
Also God promised he would not flood the world again.
He is good, he will not make a second worldwide genocide :)
Seriously, you say that like he did flooded the world once :)
I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.
Fascist is maybe a little exagerated… but you must admit the concept of “those who don,t believe in me will have eternal punishment” is 10 time more horrible than what Hitler and Stalin have done.
Well, according to my religion, no one goes to hell for eternity. It is just a place where you go to cleanse the soul of any sins and then you go to heaven in the end.
