XDAP-01 DbD (AXIS) vs. BiA

[AmorphousCube]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.6

Game History

Round :5

Combat Move - French
            Giving bonus movement to units

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

[AmorphousCube]

I cannot believe I was so bad as to let Egypt fall after the French Fleet crippled the Italians. Oh well, this game is really a learning experience for me, as I finally get to see what other people do as axis. (I always play axis with my friends when we play FtF)

[Most Holy]

A&A is like baseball in that no matter how many games you have seen there is a good chance in either that you will see something you have never seen before.

[Canuck12]

Rules question for Garg or anone who knows:

If I attack sz 98 do the Italian units enter the battle?

It’s just like I was attacked, so my ally should defend with me just like my fighters would defend with him next round.

Failing this:

It is a hostile seazone, but there is a destroyer present so can I unload by ignoring the subs?

What’s the deal?

What can and can’t I do?

[AmorphousCube]

My interpretation of the rules regarding this situation:

In the euro 40 rule book it says that when you build in a hostile sea zone, combat does NOT occur right away because the conduct combat phase is over. However, I do not know when that combat should occur. I thought (hoped really) that the combat would happen during the Italians turn, preferably with them defending. This is why I bombed the airbase, if they were defending there may bot be a scramble.

To answer your questions:

If you get to attack me, the Italians would not participate since there are no multinational attacks. I would think that because of that, you do NOT get the benefit of the destroyer, and therefore could not use planes (is my bias showing?). If you were defending that the Italians would help you of course.

Your transport unload question: (copied from http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6149)
“transports are not allowed to unload land units for an amphibious assault in a sea zone containing an enemy sub(s) belonging to a power with which they are at war unless at least one of his warships was also present in the sea zone at the end of the Combat Move phase.”

So you can’t unload without YOUR warships in that sea zone

You attacking me and the Italians not helping seems kinda silly to me, but I think that is how it would work. I am tempted to make a post in the G40 FAQ thread on this actually, because something doesn’t seem right, and I think the combat should have already happened.

In short:
I think Germany cannot unload without German warships, and you need a German destroyer to attack with German Planes.

[Most Holy]

Because I had the destroyer with me I could choose to ignore the sub. Germany’s transports however, I believe, would have to engage in one round of combat. But I’m not sure.

[AmorphousCube]

Before alpha subs got 1 round of combat to try to kill transports (I think)

As I said, I think that in alpha 3, you need an escort of the same nationality.

[Gargantua]

I’ve PM’d you Canuck.

That said,

I think you can load in that sea zone and leave,  but if you stay, you are going to insta-die.

[Canuck12]

I think everyone is correct. No unloads, no attacks with destroyers.

Aaaaalright… I guess I’ll just MARCH those guys over to Egypt…

[AmorphousCube]

Question: when will the combat occur? The next British turn?

[Most Holy]

I’ll drop a line to krieghund. He’s pretty quick.

[Gargantua]

Ram that transport through the Suez, with Air cover, blast that star destroyer with 2 fighters, and your Ion bomber, blow up the medical frigates with the infantry on board, and unload in Egypt THIS turn, ready to conquer madagascar next turn.

[Most Holy]

Krieghund states that you can completely ignore the sub.

There is some merit to Garg’s idea but it will cost you.

[Gargantua]

Yea, but it’s going to cost the Rebel Alliance a Calamari Cruiser, 2 medical frigates, and a bunch of worthless Wookies.  And for what, possibly the loss of perhaps 1 or 2 tie fighters, pfftp.

Definetely go all in.  It’s the best chance for the Imperial Transport to survive, and 2 units will make it to Egypt for the HOLD.

Fortunately for you guys, there are no Ewoks in the Desert, and the Sand People have been run off.

[Most Holy]

They frighten easily, but they will return. And in greater numbers.

[AmorphousCube]

@Most:

They frighten easily, but they will return. And in greater numbers.

You can be sure of that.

The Empire (also know as the “Allies” for some reason), will not suffer the loss of our star destroyer quietly. We will take back Endor (Egypt), and re power our Suez-Canal shields. There will be no stopping us this time. (As soon as we re-build our army that is…)

[Gargantua]

@Most:

They frighten easily, but they will return. And in greater numbers.

It’s a Trap!

[AmorphousCube]

@AmorphousCube:

@Most:

They frighten easily, but they will return. And in greater numbers.

You can be sure of that.

The Empire (also know as the “Allies” for some reason), will not suffer the loss of our star destroyer quietly. We will take back Endor (Egypt), and re power our Suez-Canal shields. There will be no stopping us this time. (As soon as we re-build our army that is…)

Or if the “allies” are the Rebels (as implied by Garg’s other post):

We will return to fight again in the deserts of Tatooine! The rebel alliance will have to rebuild its army of Sand-crawlers, and with the help of the Rebels from Hoth (Some call it “Russia”), they will take back the Desert, and once again allow small children to race high speed vehicles with no regard for their safety for their amusement. (That is, if Hoth can withstad the might of the Imperial Army currently besieging it).

[Gargantua]

I love how the “rebels” are supposed to be the hero’s but it was Luke going around fighting locals, and killing endangered animals with his light sabre, from Mos-eisley, to the Rancor pit, and lets not forget - frosty the snowman.

I would go to jail, if I killed animals, just to feel ‘warm’ for the night.  Or used mind tricks to join my lost cause on the Moon of Endor.

What does he think? because he’s human, he’s the master race and better than everybody else in the Galaxy?

I mean, Like father like son, Tatooine has definetely seen some of the WORST scars and attorcities commited by the Sky Walker family.  And everytime they have to skulk away secretly, and at a high price - no wonder.

I wonder what would happen if people put their morals ahead of themselves instead of saying “Hey Luke, Can I lend a ‘hand’?”

[AmorphousCube]

People in white armor would find whatever droids they wanted I guess. (Also, some more planets would have exploded, but that’s a minor detail that can be easily overlooked)