Someone roll a 3 I don’t care, I am taking my turn.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8
Game History
Round :8
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - Italians
Giving bonus movement to units
1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to France
1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
1 artillery moved from Ukraine to Rostov
Italians take Rostov from Russians
1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
Italians take Tambov from Russians
1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
1 armour moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
Combat - Italians
Battle in Western Germany
Italians attack with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Western Germany, round 1 : 1/5 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Western Germany, round 1 : 0/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Western Germany
Italians win, taking Western Germany from Americans with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery
Italians win with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery
Battle in Smolensk
Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
Russians defend with 2 infantry
Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys in Smolensk, round 1 : 2/4 hits
Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Smolensk, round 1 : 1/2 hits
2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Smolensk
Italians win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
Italians win with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
Recording Battle Statistics
Trigger Italians Conquer London: Setting turns to 1-+ for conditionAttachment_Axis_Capture_London_Switch attached to Germans
Non Combat Move - Italians
1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
Place Units - Italians
1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
Turn Complete - Italians
Italians collect 14 PUs (12 lost to blockades); end with 15 PUs total
Territory Summary for Italians :
Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
France : 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Western Germany : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
Romania : 1 mech_infantry
Tobruk : 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry
Northern Italy : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major and 4 infantry
Southern Italy : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 7 infantry
Belarus : 1 flag, Bryansk : 1 flag, Rostov : 1 flag, 1 artillery
Eastern Poland : 1 flag, Bessarabia : 1 flag, Tambov : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Ukraine : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 2 mech_infantrys
Western Ukraine : 1 flag, Smolensk : 1 flag, 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Bulgaria : 1 flag, Greece : 1 flag,
Production/PUs Summary :
Germans : 46 / 59
Russians : 22 / 32
Japanese : 70 / 87
Americans : 59 / 84
Chinese : 2 / 2
British : 21 / 0
UK_Pacific : 2 / 0
Italians : 26 / 15
ANZAC : 10 / 15
French : 7 / 0
Dutch : 0 / 0
Mongolians : 0 / 0
Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
Neutral_True : 18 / 0
I don’t mean to have come off as rude, but I was trying to make sense of things. Gargantua randomly stepped in and made it easy.
Veqryn you don’t roll for your enemies combat phase, that is not cool. Also when you post your turn, you let the chips fall where they may. Those units were used in combat which was rolled, you can’t take it back.
Seth when you attack, don’t forget units, there are two problems with this 1) results from other battles came in already 2) results from the subs came in, which means the battle already started.
Most players assume if edits are allowed non combat editing is okay, but combat editing is not (with the exception of empty territories most players will allow for it).
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I presume the forum rolls came first (as far as the destroyers and air units go), you take those results.
If the triple a results came first (as far as the destroyers and air units go) then you got to take that.
I am against adding the extra fighter, because it opens up a can of worms (as we have just experienced).
Pacific is Veqryn’s theater and it seems like Veqryn really insists on a redo / letting you roll the fighter / whatever. I would suggest taking the forum roll outcome, but with -1 hit for usa, the results would be -2 destroyer and a tilted carrier for japan and -2 subs for usa I presume. That is as neutral as the results get. Also if you guys go with this and the triple a results came in first, don’t tell me, I do not want to know.
Here is what I find acceptable. forum results minus the last 3 roll or forum results with the last 3 roll. triple a results as is or with an extra 3 roll.
For the most part my posts were directed to veqryn, because seth seems okay with whatever happened. So there veqryn. In the future avoid situations like this, because once you make a decision like this it has other implications.
Like what if I forget to bring a fighter into battle after seeing some dice rolls :evil:
I suggest forgetting everything.
And starting from J8 again. That’s the only way to be fair to all parties.
But what do I know… :P
fair is just taking the first set of dice rolls and omitting the 3 roll.
Japan made a moosteak and so did USA. It is what it is.
No takesy backsies for units used in combat. No extra unit for a battle after rolls were conducted. No rerolling, just take the first set of rolls. Those are the main principles I care about.
The upsets and craziness of this game is what makes it fun for me. Take that away and I am out.
@Cow:
No takesy backsies for units used in combat. No extra unit for a battle after rolls were conducted. No rerolling, just take the first set of rolls. Those are the main principles I care about.
Sorry Cow, but 1st, I did not roll for my opponent. Not sure why you said I did.
Second, there is no way to both “take the first set of rolls” AND “no takesy backsies”.
That is because the Forum rolls came first, AND the forum rolls were Seth adding the fighter he forgot.
So, either we take the first roll and accept seth’s take back. Or we use the second rolls and don’t accept Seth’s take back.
Or we could use the forum rolls and subtract 1 hit for the USA and also have USA retreat after 1 round.
Or we could just kill 1 of my g-d damned destroyers, and move on.
Using the first set of dice rolls (the forum dice), and then retreating after round 1.
The results are:
1 hit from sub, tilts Japanese carrier
2 hits from other stuff, kills 1 japanese destroyer and 1 sub
2 hits from my stuff, kills 2 american subs (i assume)
americans retreat
Here is the savegame, with the results edited. Lets move on.
FYI from now on, my policy is, no rewinds, edits are allowed only if a noncombat move, placement, or takeover of an empty country. no edits to add units or subtract units from combat will be allowed.
seth, if you wanna lose something other than 2 subs, just edit it yourself.
oh, and I will not accept that battle going any longer than 1 round.
so just use the savegame above, and do the ANZAC turn.
ok awesome, see what seth says, it seems like a neutral result either way.
I mean you did say he could roll his fighter, it is just a destroyer hit. his luck in other spots was not as good.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8
Game History
Round :8
Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 armour and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;
Combat Move - ANZAC
Giving bonus movement to units
Non Combat Move - ANZAC
1 fighter moved from 62 Sea Zone to South Australia
2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
2 infantry moved from New South Wales to South Australia
1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 62 Sea Zone to New South Wales
1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
Place Units - ANZAC
1 armour and 2 infantry placed in New South Wales
Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 13 PUs total
Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 18 PUs
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8
Game History
Round :8
Combat Move - French
Giving bonus movement to units
Non Combat Move - French
1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - French
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8
Game History
Round :9
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Germans
Giving bonus movement to units
2 mech_infantrys moved from France to Denmark
1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
Germans take Normandy Bordeaux from Americans
2 bombers, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to Denmark
1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
Germans take Vologda from Russians
1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Nenetsia
Germans take Nenetsia from Russians
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Volgograd
1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
Germans take Caucasus from Russians
Combat - Germans
Battle in Volgograd
Germans attack with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Volgograd, round 1 : 1/2 hits
Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Volgograd, round 1 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Volgograd
Germans win, taking Volgograd from Russians with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Germans win with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Battle in Denmark
Germans attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
Americans defend with 1 infantry
Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Denmark, round 1 : 3/8 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Denmark, round 1 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Denmark
Germans win, taking Denmark from Americans with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Germans win with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Recording Battle Statistics
Trigger Germans Conquer London: Setting turns to 1-+ for conditionAttachment_Axis_Capture_London_Switch attached to Germans
Non Combat Move - Germans
1 tactical_bomber moved from Denmark to Western Germany
2 fighters moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone
1 carrier and 7 transports moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Denmark to Western Germany
7 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
4 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Bryansk
2 armour moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
2 bombers moved from Denmark to Western Germany
3 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
1 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
1 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
Place Units - Germans
1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone
2 fighters placed in Western Germany
3 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
1 infantry placed in France
4 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
Germans undo move 5.
1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany
3 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
Turn Complete - Germans
Germans collect 53 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 53 PUs total
Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs
Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 68 PUs
Territory Summary for Germans :
Scotland : 1 flag, 1 airfield
United Kingdom : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 18 infantry
Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
France : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 6 infantry
Western Germany : 1 airfield, 2 bombers, 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters, 1 harbour, 5 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Germany : 1 factory_major and 6 mech_infantrys
Denmark : 2 mech_infantrys
Karelia : 1 flag, Baltic States : 1 flag, Bryansk : 3 aaGuns, 13 armour, 22 artilleries, 49 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
Nenetsia : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
Vyborg : 1 flag, Archangel : 1 flag, Eastern Poland : 4 mech_infantrys
Vologda : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Volgograd : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
Novgorod : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
Caucasus : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
113 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 7 transports
Yugoslavia : 1 flag, Finland : 1 flag,
Production/PUs Summary :
Germans : 55 / 68
Russians : 17 / 32
Japanese : 70 / 87
Americans : 55 / 84
Chinese : 2 / 2
British : 21 / 0
UK_Pacific : 2 / 0
Italians : 26 / 15
ANZAC : 10 / 18
French : 7 / 0
Dutch : 0 / 0
Mongolians : 0 / 0
Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
Neutral_True : 18 / 0
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8
Game History
Round :9
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 2 artilleries and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Russians
Giving bonus movement to units
2 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda
3 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
2 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
1 infantry moved from Sikang to Tsinghai
Chinese take Tsinghai from Japanese
2 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Volgograd
1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Volgograd
1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Tambov
1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Volgograd
1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Vologda
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Smolensk
1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Volgograd
3 mech_infantrys moved from Kazakhstan to Samara
1 fighter moved from Russia to Volgograd
Combat - Russians
Battle in Volgograd
Russians attack with 3 fighters and 3 mech_infantrys
Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
Russians win, taking Volgograd from Germans with 3 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Casualties for Russians: 2 mech_infantrys
Russians win with 3 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Casualties for Russians: 2 mech_infantrys
Battle in Caucasus
Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
Russians win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
Russians win with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
Battle in Smolensk
Russians attack with 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Italians defend with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Russians win, taking Smolensk from Italians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Russians win with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Battle in Vologda
Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians win, taking Vologda from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Russians win with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Battle in Tambov
Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Italians defend with 1 infantry
Russians win, taking Tambov from Italians with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
Russians win with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
Recording Battle Statistics
Non Combat Move - Russians
1 fighter moved from Tambov to Russia
3 fighters moved from Volgograd to Russia
1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Russia
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Smolensk to Russia
1 fighter moved from Vologda to Russia
2 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Russia
2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Persia to Kazakhstan
1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
1 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
2 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
3 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Russia
2 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Russia
Place Units - Russians
2 artilleries and 8 infantry placed in Russia
Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs total
Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 30 PUs
Here are two beautiful options I made.
I am still considering which one to do.
In both of them, my transport off dutch new guinea will die, and probably also my destroyer.
In both, my forces at sz6 by Japan at the end of the turn are enough to take Hawaii on the next turn, unless USA blocks.
If I go with the Australia savegame, obviously he kills my troops in australia, but hopefully I can hurt whatever he sends in after me. It can then turn into a gradual trade of units, which I will win since I have the production advantage (plus he always has to keep something in his capital or a blocker, otherwise i just take the capital). Both my fleets will survive, and I don’t seen much he can do about it other than pump out infantry as Australia, and build more fleet as USA.
If I go with the Hawaii savegame, then I am still in a position to take Australia, but I am in an amazing position to take Hawaii. USA will have to put up 3 blockers around Hawaii and 1 above Australia in order to stop me. However, if he does do the blockers, then I have made no progress towards any goal. Plus, Australia could go behind my defenses and start taking Java islands, etc, and my fleet can’t reach that far if he puts a blocker there.
Either way, it looks like it will be a few more turns til anything happens.
Cow, what do you think of my saves?
I’m excited to see this French Battleship Matter!
