I also dont mind forgetting a battle and rolling it out on the forum if it is just a destroyer or w/e
what happened:
(this all happens in the space of 10 minutes, from me doing my whole turn to the whole usa turn, as were both online at same time)
1. I finish the Japanese turn, post it. I did not realize those 2 fighters in Western USA could make it to the battle in sz25. I keep forgetting about air bases. If I had saw that, I would never have made the sz25 move.
2. I realized my mistake right after I did my turn, and I sent you that PM crying and hoping that Seth would not realize he had good odds on the battle (70-80% odds)
3. Seth is not dumb, he saw it right away. He is probably too excited to crush me, and also sleepy. He does the attack, but forgets to bring the lone fighter in Hawaii.
4. Seth starts the battle, and his submarines roll getting 1 hit. He then asks me for OOL. I see the savegame, and give a small shout of joy, which attracts mild embarrassment because I am at work.
5. I tell Seth to damage my carrier.
6. Seth is about to roll again when he sees that he forgot the fighter. He asks if he can bring the fighter to the battle. Before I respond, I decides to roll the battle in the forum. The in-forum dice give him 3 more hits (so 4 total) and give me 2 hits (total).
7. I tell Seth that I would rather, because we each made a mistake, that we rewind the clock and either continue the battle without his fighter, or we rewind even further and not move my fleet to sz25 (instead move it to sz6). I would have greatly preferred he let me rewind the fleet to sz6 then continue.
8. Seth continues the battle in triplea without the fighter. He gets 2? more hits, while I get 5? hits (not sure if correct), and he is forced to retreat with huge losses. I now feel like a complete asshole.
9. I propose that we rewind and never do the battle, let my units go to sz6. Seth does not get the message til he is done his UK turn.
10. I would still like to rewind even though I saw his UK turn. With the savegame as it stands right now, allies are finished. I would rather go from the savegame I posted at the top, and have USA redo his turn in a situation where my fleet is at sz6 instead of sz25. Other than that, the europe side (the battles in europe) can stay the same (use edit mode to fix), as I talked about above.
I think this is the ‘most fun’ way to continue.
I can’t let Seth beat himself up over missing a fighter.
And I can’t continue beating myself up over being an asshole about it and not letting him bring it to the battle.
that is the story
This is why I hate editing combat, stuff just gets weird.
LOL what a mess…
In all honestly. If you`re going to -rewind- I would just rewind everything to a certain point, and start again from there.
If that means redoing all of USAs, Chinas, and UKs turns, then so be it. Thats my advice for you guys.
Ugh, it is not my fault I got a break on the europe half with dug in defenders. I vote no rewind.
I see Seth’s in forum dice rolls, but not yours veqryn (aside from the sub 2 fighter vs dd for some reason).
Whatever seth rolled first be it in forum or by triple a is what he should take. If he rolled triple a first then he adds the fighter roll in forum. If his forum rolls were first then he should take that.
I don’t know what timezone the marty servers / hotmail is in and as well as this forum and I don’t care because I am not japan or usa.
If you guys want to pretend this whole thing never happened instead, the naval is in japan waters and the 2 infantry is still in aleutan islands.
I don’t care, I finally get a break in europe and you are not taking that away from moo!
You either take everything back. Or you move forward as is.
Doing some of this, but not some of that is just… cow pie messy!
Good luck sorting it out. :)
Ok veqryn, I unwaveringly vote we take it as is. Taking aleutan islands is fine.
So far the only editing I had was taking Iraq with italy, before my turn was over during placement, I did say seth could undo it and it was up to him really.
I also had to edit one of germany’s purchases and my non combat because seth forgot to unload his stuff and I already took italy and germany’s turn before he told me, which kind of screwed me up, but I managed, I just had to do my non combat different and change my purchase.
I had to edit g2 for the same reason uk had to edit, we crashed or it failed to post and we closed it without realizing or something like that, but the edit was the results of the battle.
I don’t remember if there were other edits on the europe half or not, because if there were it was probably before I took my turn so I didn’t care.
Anyway, I don’t know what things are like in the pacific right now. I don’t know which results to take for the midway battle, because I don’t know if he rolled by triple A first or by forum first.
So what I am going to do is roll a 3 and if it hits, japan loses a destroyer and we proceed.
I suspect the forum rolls came first, but it was not fully rolled out. Then the triple A rolls came.
If we take the forum rolls he retreated after 1 round of combat, simple as that. If we take the triple a rolls, here then here is a 3 roll
:roll 1@3:
:roll: 1@3
:1@3:
Someone roll a 3 I don’t care, I am taking my turn.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8
Game History
Round :8
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - Italians
Giving bonus movement to units
1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to France
1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
1 artillery moved from Ukraine to Rostov
Italians take Rostov from Russians
1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
Italians take Tambov from Russians
1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
1 armour moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
Combat - Italians
Battle in Western Germany
Italians attack with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Western Germany, round 1 : 1/5 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Western Germany, round 1 : 0/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Western Germany
Italians win, taking Western Germany from Americans with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery
Italians win with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery
Battle in Smolensk
Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
Russians defend with 2 infantry
Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys in Smolensk, round 1 : 2/4 hits
Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Smolensk, round 1 : 1/2 hits
2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Smolensk
Italians win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
Italians win with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
Recording Battle Statistics
Trigger Italians Conquer London: Setting turns to 1-+ for conditionAttachment_Axis_Capture_London_Switch attached to Germans
Non Combat Move - Italians
1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
Place Units - Italians
1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
Turn Complete - Italians
Italians collect 14 PUs (12 lost to blockades); end with 15 PUs total
Territory Summary for Italians :
Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
France : 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Western Germany : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
Romania : 1 mech_infantry
Tobruk : 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry
Northern Italy : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major and 4 infantry
Southern Italy : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 7 infantry
Belarus : 1 flag, Bryansk : 1 flag, Rostov : 1 flag, 1 artillery
Eastern Poland : 1 flag, Bessarabia : 1 flag, Tambov : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Ukraine : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 2 mech_infantrys
Western Ukraine : 1 flag, Smolensk : 1 flag, 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Bulgaria : 1 flag, Greece : 1 flag,
Production/PUs Summary :
Germans : 46 / 59
Russians : 22 / 32
Japanese : 70 / 87
Americans : 59 / 84
Chinese : 2 / 2
British : 21 / 0
UK_Pacific : 2 / 0
Italians : 26 / 15
ANZAC : 10 / 15
French : 7 / 0
Dutch : 0 / 0
Mongolians : 0 / 0
Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
Neutral_True : 18 / 0
I don’t mean to have come off as rude, but I was trying to make sense of things. Gargantua randomly stepped in and made it easy.
Veqryn you don’t roll for your enemies combat phase, that is not cool. Also when you post your turn, you let the chips fall where they may. Those units were used in combat which was rolled, you can’t take it back.
Seth when you attack, don’t forget units, there are two problems with this 1) results from other battles came in already 2) results from the subs came in, which means the battle already started.
Most players assume if edits are allowed non combat editing is okay, but combat editing is not (with the exception of empty territories most players will allow for it).
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I presume the forum rolls came first (as far as the destroyers and air units go), you take those results.
If the triple a results came first (as far as the destroyers and air units go) then you got to take that.
I am against adding the extra fighter, because it opens up a can of worms (as we have just experienced).
Pacific is Veqryn’s theater and it seems like Veqryn really insists on a redo / letting you roll the fighter / whatever. I would suggest taking the forum roll outcome, but with -1 hit for usa, the results would be -2 destroyer and a tilted carrier for japan and -2 subs for usa I presume. That is as neutral as the results get. Also if you guys go with this and the triple a results came in first, don’t tell me, I do not want to know.
Here is what I find acceptable. forum results minus the last 3 roll or forum results with the last 3 roll. triple a results as is or with an extra 3 roll.
For the most part my posts were directed to veqryn, because seth seems okay with whatever happened. So there veqryn. In the future avoid situations like this, because once you make a decision like this it has other implications.
Like what if I forget to bring a fighter into battle after seeing some dice rolls :evil:
I suggest forgetting everything.
And starting from J8 again. That’s the only way to be fair to all parties.
But what do I know… :P
fair is just taking the first set of dice rolls and omitting the 3 roll.
Japan made a moosteak and so did USA. It is what it is.
No takesy backsies for units used in combat. No extra unit for a battle after rolls were conducted. No rerolling, just take the first set of rolls. Those are the main principles I care about.
The upsets and craziness of this game is what makes it fun for me. Take that away and I am out.
