The Stray Cats
History following a common theme?
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You are only 15 Yanny?
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China would win a ground war. You cannot beat 200,000,000 moderately equipt soldiers. An invasion of China is impossible. The Manpower of over a billion people, we cannot combat that without going Nuclear.
China would probably gain from a war. You can expect South Korea to be quickly taken. Tawain won’t last long either. Japan might last awhile, but I can’t see their meagar defense forces putting up much of a fight. China would then likely expand into the south, cutting off all possible US bases. Again, it would end up going nuclear.
Nah, Japan would hold out. You’re forgetting that its an island nation and that China would have to attempt the most difficult operation for any military - the amphibious assault. With modern equipment and quick mobiliziation by the US and other former SEATO members, Japan could fend off such an attac. The Chinese, even if they would succeed, would take massive casualties mounting such an attack and the chances of defeating the Japanese are very low. Don’t forget, the Japanese have a history of fighting ot the death. If they would do so, the Chinese would have to fight them city by city, street by street, and hosue by house. Tokyo is the largest city in the world, taking out all the Japanese there woudl cost China a lot of manpower. Taiwan would fall to the amphibious assault simply because it has inadequate defences to fend of China and that there are many people there that would welcome Chinese control. They would probalby cause coups as the Chinese army arrived, which would force the island quickly into Chiense control.
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China would win a ground war. You cannot beat 200,000,000 moderately equipt soldiers. An invasion of China is impossible. The Manpower of over a billion people, we cannot combat that without going Nuclear.
China would probably gain from a war. You can expect South Korea to be quickly taken. Tawain won’t last long either. Japan might last awhile, but I can’t see their meagar defense forces putting up much of a fight. China would then likely expand into the south, cutting off all possible US bases. Again, it would end up going nuclear.
Nah, Japan would hold out. You’re forgetting that its an island nation and that China would have to attempt the most difficult operation for any military - the amphibious assault. With modern equipment and quick mobiliziation by the US and other former SEATO members, Japan could fend off such an attac. The Chinese, even if they would succeed, would take massive casualties mounting such an attack and the chances of defeating the Japanese are very low. Don’t forget, the Japanese have a history of fighting ot the death. If they would do so, the Chinese would have to fight them city by city, street by street, and hosue by house. Tokyo is the largest city in the world, taking out all the Japanese there woudl cost China a lot of manpower. Taiwan would fall to the amphibious assault simply because it has inadequate defences to fend of China and that there are many people there that would welcome Chinese control. They would probalby cause coups as the Chinese army arrived, which would force the island quickly into Chiense control.
wrt Taiwan - This also depends on where the US navy is stationed at the time, as well as other factors.
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True, but the Chinese have been preparing to invade Taiwan for a long time. Recently they’ve been practicing amphibious attacks just in case. I think it is pretty safe to say that they’d be able to take ove the island, but who knowsat what cost.
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hey, interesting subject. I wrote a paper about this last year and according to my own conclusions the islamic world has a good chance to become the next dominating area of the world.
In my paper i noticed how the political importance of areas shifted throughout history, from the middle east (egypt, mesopotamia) to the mediterranean (rome, carthage), to northern europe in the late middle ages. These changes were caused mainly by the climate. But in the 20st century a new development takes place. The industrial revolution causes the US and Russia with their huge resources to become world powers. However i think the world is currently heading for a new direction. Its no longer human resources that really matter but oil and level of technology. From this point of view the middle east has a great potential and i think they are slowly becoming more important due to the iraq issue. US will remain a strong nation due to its oil reserves and technology. Russia lacks the technology. Europe has technology but is virtually dependant on oil resources from outside of europe. Europe is also by far a union and imo not subject to strong patriotic values. Only a war against a major power outside of europe is able to make europe a strong military power.
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well said green slave. well ne way imo i beleive china can take taiwan as quik as Germany took Holland ;) no offense to ne dutchmen/women.
and inmo Japan would be hard as hell for the Chinese to take not to mention if they try to accomplish this, USA would send in the marines to help the Japanese defend Japan.
but if the Chinese succed in taking Japan. it would seriously hur the USA economy imo. which could be a major factor in a prolonged war. and if both side refusee to turn to Nukes, China always has South East china and Russia and the Middle East to expand to to get its resources. i mean Siberia has mass amounts of oil and resources if they were to fall into Chinese hands, :roll: sad to say that could be the begining of the end for the Nations agaisnt China.
as a matter of fact there coming out with a game called C&C Generals. its about USA ,China, GLA(Terrorists) it looks realley cool ;)
but ne back onto subject if Europe were to Unite and become morew RIght WIng i feel that they have a chance to become the Superpowers once again.
so thats my 2 cents ;)
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im dutch :evil:
It will be harder to get taiwan though. They are prepared for an attack and its an island, im sure the americans will claim that taking some small islands can be just as hard as driving through europe to berlin.
The dutch were suprised by the blitzkrieg (we were planning on staying neutral and never feared an invasion). The germans allready took half our nation when the defences were formed (still disorganized). Then they landed behind our lines with parachutes, so we were stuck on a small piece of land. But we fought on bravely, then they bombed rotterdam to the ground with a lot of deads. Then we were forced to surrender.
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thats great green sleeve ;)
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@greensleeves_16:
im dutch :evil:
It will be harder to get taiwan though. They are prepared for an attack and its an island, im sure the americans will claim that taking some small islands can be just as hard as driving through europe to berlin.
The dutch were suprised by the blitzkrieg (we were planning on staying neutral and never feared an invasion). The germans allready took half our nation when the defences were formed (still disorganized). Then they landed behind our lines with parachutes, so we were stuck on a small piece of land. But we fought on bravely, then they bombed rotterdam to the ground with a lot of deads. Then we were forced to surrender.
I loved The Netherlands. One of my favorite countries - my uncle was the consulate there for (Den Hague) for many years, and we visited for a while. I loved (almost) everything about it - cept for the constant manure-y smell and the level of (non-violent) crime. I also love the relationship that exists between Canada and The Netherlands. It really feels great to be a Canadian there, especially knowing that we did something to help them (although i’m sure that any nations military assigned to that area would have done the same).
I also like its “socialist values” although i disagree (vehemeintly - sp?) with them at times.
And Amsterdam is cooler than Lisbon, IMO. -
@greensleeves_16:
im dutch :evil:
It will be harder to get taiwan though. They are prepared for an attack and its an island, im sure the americans will claim that taking some small islands can be just as hard as driving through europe to berlin.
The dutch were suprised by the blitzkrieg (we were planning on staying neutral and never feared an invasion). The germans allready took half our nation when the defences were formed (still disorganized). Then they landed behind our lines with parachutes, so we were stuck on a small piece of land. But we fought on bravely, then they bombed rotterdam to the ground with a lot of deads. Then we were forced to surrender.
It wasn’t eactly a surprise. The Belgians had found out about the invasion of hte Low COuntries and had informed Holland of it, but I guess they still hoped to stay neutral till the end. Have you ever visited Anee Frank’s house In Amsterdam?
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never been there.
The Netherlands never expected it, i wouldnt know if they were warned by belgium, probably so. The dutch people expected to be neutral again like in world war I, so there were virtually no worries about the upcoming danger, including politicians. But they should have learned from the poland experience to realize declaring war was something of the past and that surprise was germany’s biggest advantage in battle. I dont think we would have stood a chance anyway, we were outnumbered, our country is small, our army obsolete and germany had the best army at its time.
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Russia lacking technology ? No… they lack the ressource to put in pratice their technology, they have tons of brilliant scientists/mathematicians. They lack organisation… russia was corrupted Before, While and After communism.
Also Oil will probably not be as important in 100 years as it is now. Not that i believe Islam will never be a major power (like it was), but i don’t think they will be because of the Oil.
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Russia lacking technology ? No… they lack the ressource to put in pratice their technology, they have tons of brilliant scientists/mathematicians. They lack organisation… russia was corrupted Before, While and After communism.
Also Oil will probably not be as important in 100 years as it is now. Not that i believe Islam will never be a major power (like it was), but i don’t think they will be because of the Oil.
weird. I’m agreeing with FinsterniS.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, however i think that the Western World’s reliance on oil-based fuel is the only thing proping up the middle east’s power consortiums, and ironically this is caused by the republican party’s:1) catering to Texas and oil concersn, 2) anti-environment-pro-industry stance, and 3) catering to Michigan and the auto-industry. Once the western world cares more about the environment, and becomes creative (see: Ballard fuel cells etc.) about oil, then the middle east’s stock is going to fall rapidly.Also Emugod i have been to and through Anne Frank’s house. wow. It’s unbelievable. The conspiracy theories still flutter as to who gave away the presence of the family.
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Actually (like I’ve said before) a shift of our gas powered electrical plants to Nuclear power would cut down our oil problems by a lot. Problem is, politics keeps that from happening.
Japan would be a problem for China, yes, but I don’t think it could resist for long. China does not have a large navy, but its vast numbers (and therefore, industrial production) would overcome Japan. By law, Japan cannot instigate a war. They have a very small army, it can’t even be called an army by law, just a “self defense force”.
Europe does have serious Oil concerns. However, Britain is 100% self sufficient.
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I gotta tell ya yanny, slighty refreshing to see some with a left point of view open to ideas such as nuclear power.
good times :)
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We can agree on something at least )
Personally I agree, the reason we’re not shifting to Nuclear power is to appease the Texas Oil Barons.
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Actually (like I’ve said before) a shift of our gas powered electrical plants to Nuclear power would cut down our oil problems by a lot. Problem is, politics keeps that from happening.
Japan would be a problem for China, yes, but I don’t think it could resist for long. China does not have a large navy, but its vast numbers (and therefore, industrial production) would overcome Japan. By law, Japan cannot instigate a war. They have a very small army, it can’t even be called an army by law, just a “self defense force”.
Europe does have serious Oil concerns. However, Britain is 100% self sufficient.
I am against nuclear power, there’s a plant in Pickering. I say Geothermal power is the best, Iceland uses it. According to the Venus Project, a very interesting way to reform the use f technology and energy, there is enough Geothermal energy alone ot supply the world’s entire needs for 10000 years.
Japan would not succumb. Do not forget that they were defeating the Chinese during the Sino-Japanese Wars. They had taken Manchuria, knocked out the Chinese coast and were slowly advancing into the Chinese interior.
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That was a long time ago. China is better equipt now. And their training and equipment are getting better every day.
Geothermal is a great power source, but you can’t access it everywhere. However, for places like Japan and Iceland, it is an amazing source of power.
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i agree with the Geothermal thing in Japan and Iceland. also i am Pro Nuclear power and other means of power besides fossil fuels
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First, if you are talking about standing militaries, between the U.S., South Korea, and Taiwan, they mass roughly 3 million, compared to the Chinese 3 million. If you go to reserves, we have over 3 million more, while the Chinese have another 3 million. Now you have to add the North Koreans to that, but their military is also in s sorry state. Plus, they would be overwhelmed quickly, limiting mobilization time. Seato forces would probably be slightly outnumbered, but they are much more advanced, better trained and with significantly more powerful air and sea power.
Second, if there is more of a build up, we would actually be in more of an advatage. The Chinese fielding a 200 million man army, don’t make me laugh, Yanny. How would they feed them? HOw would they arm them? How would they make up for the lost productiveity? Less farmers, less workers. How would they train them?
Seato could train more troops faster who are better trained and armed. With our massively superior air force, we could waste the inferior troops they can mobilize.
South Korea could take care of North Korea by itself. The economies and population of Seato can mobilize/support 10s of millions of troops.
One major obstacle is China’s nuclear arsenal. However, between all four countries’ intelligence agencies and the ABMD system and airpower we are developing (which is already being deployed/developed in Seato countries) we can neutralize missiles on the ground/interrupt chain of command to launch them/take them out in the air.
Finally, not everyone in China loves the government, We can contact anti-government groups and use them to our advantage.
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