there is lots of different things allies can do that work. as long as you have africa thoughout the game, you have lots of options, it is required if you want to stand a chance .
It is a mistake to assume that just because G1 is Barbarossa, there is no threat of Sea Lion.
yeah you still have to buy infantry for uk. 10 or 11 transports can still take uk. germany still has to buy a destroyer at least… otherwise uk just buys subs to defend, which is funny since only naval can hit it 5 subs on defense vs a cruiser is hilarious.
Pretty simple: UKE fighters to Moscow, ASAP. Make Germany spend money and TIME on Moscow. Also HOLD CAIRO! HOLD THAT CITY.
UKP, US, ANZAC: KJF if Cairo is held to not have Japan hanging around and alive.
In my last game against Vance going full Barbarossa Germany I did something different:
I spent US1 in the Atlantic;
I didn’t do Taranto, I just killed the dd+transport in Malta and then evaquated the fleet toward the Pacific. I killed the Italians from Ethiopia and got Iraq UK1.
Basically I spent enough with USA to shut down Italy early on (after Japan declared war) and I kept a lot of airforce in Africa. I moved the starting medi UK fleet in the pacific to join the Anzac and American one, in order to have a decent fleet for the time being.
I got Middle East round1 in order to build a base there to both reinforce Russia and fight the Medi.
Vance decided to go full mainland with Japan so this helped me spending almost 0 USA Ipcs in the pacific.
In the event that during G1 the german players builds all land units in order to push toward Russia, what would be the best UKL and UKP strategy?
And what would you do with USA?
First off, I would say this is a mistake regardless of your destination.
A) Why tell your enemy your plan?
B) Those transports are useful in both Barbarossa and Sea Lion
@Cmdr:
In the event that during G1 the german players builds all land units in order to push toward Russia, what would be the best UKL and UKP strategy?
And what would you do with USA?First off, I would say this is a mistake regardless of your destination.
A) Why tell your enemy your plan?
B) Those transports are useful in both Barbarossa and Sea Lion
Oh Jennifer let’s be more specific
G1 Germany builds 10inf (or other land units). At this point you’re 90% sure Germany won’t go SeaLion, what do you do with UK?
Round 1, Germany buys 10 Transports. Is she going Sea Lion, or Barbarossa? Odds are Sea Lion, so you have to think of how to counter it, but she could very well go Barbarossa and have the transports necessary to move 10-20 infantry a round into Russia through the Ost Sea (Baltic Sea).
Or she could still do Sea Lion. This gives Germany the option of not declaring to the world what she wants to do, until she knows what she wants to do. eh?
I think this topic is named “UK - barbarossa strategies”
I wanted to know how people play the UK when Germany commits everything to Russia.
@Cmdr:
Round 1, Germany buys 10 Transports.
Uh I’m assuming you meant Round 2. :lol:
If you buy 10 transports and then go with Barbarossa, you’ll have an awfully uphill battle in Russia.
You’re 70 IPCs behind in the land race. Tough.
Yes, sorry, round 2 buy 10 transports.
UK has to consider Germany buying 10 transports on Round 1 anyway. Round 2 Germany may as well buy 10 transports. So Round 3 is the earliest yoiu can think of anti-Barbarossa and by then, it should be too late for a complex in Egypt.
I’d say focus on building ground troops in S. Africa, just to push up and tie up Italian forces, and then beg the American player to help you out fleet wise in the Atlantic.
I don’t understand.
If you buy those transports on R2 and don’t get the payoff of Sealion, how will you deal with the Russia?
Sure, they won’t be able to stack up in Leningrad, but he doesn’t have to in order to make your life difficult.
UK can build in Cpr/Irq and Saf to pressure Italy. A couple carrier from US would definitely help in the Atlantic fight.
The transports are an insurance policy against America. America and England now have to consider a Sea Lion attack which denies then a complex in Egypt and troops in S. Africa for a while. Meanwhile, Germany’s going to need those blasted transports anyway, at least now it’s done and over with. They can end run around the Russians meaning the Russians have to hold back to boot.
If you don’t buy 2 transports G1, you will have 4 less land units in the event of a SeaLion, this means you can even afford an IC with UK round1 and still stay safe.
Let me say it a different way. Round 1 and Round 2 go as if Sea Lion for Germany. I don’t care if you want to do Sea Lion or not, this will endeavor to keep the allies guessing as to your intentions.
I agree that it would pressure UK heavily. Â UK will have to turtle longer than normal.
But you’re assuming Germany would need to build those transports either way.
I have no idea why you’re making that assumption.
You do that and Russia’s already beating you in the land war.
I don’t see how you can counter a Russian stack in East Poland.
If you buy 10 transports on G2, I won’t be “guessing” at all. I’m going to assume you’re going for a Sealion. If you choose to switch gears, that’s even better for me.
London is still Allied, and you don’t get the Sealion payoff.
But the topic is different: How do you react Jennifer, when Germany builds 10 infantries round 1 and moves everything toward the Russian border?
How do you act after G2 when you also see he dows Russia and builds 10 mec infantries and some armors?
We’re not talking about “how you play” (also your experience is not based on the last and final Alpha3 with the different naval setup and with England having more land units)
Alsch:
Yes, I think Germany needs the transports anyway. For the following:
Noll:
If Germany buys, for instance, 10 infantry, I buy a complex in Egpyt and start turtling all my forces there as best I can, using S. Africa to augment the Indian fleet.
Note Germany can still Sea Lion if they do a 10 Inf purchase on G1.
G3 Sea Lion just consists of 8 TT (1 Starting + 7 purchased + 1 CV purchased).
If UK1 doesn’t put Inf out on London, you can still Sea Lion effectively. Particularly with a very strong SBR on G2. I’ve done it.
So spending 12 IPC on a Minor in Egypt and putting 10-12 IPC in S.Africa sets you up for it.
Even with G2 ending with 8 TT, thats 8 Inf and some combination of Arm/Art that can land in Archangel or Nov on G3 if the UK went defensive.
Combined with an attack on G3 from Poland on the Baltics (Supported with Arm from the French Invasion) you can have solid stacks on G3 that end up in the Baltics and Arch, effectively surrounding Leningrad for G4. Just so happens if Leningrad falls to Germany on G4, the Japs can land their entire air Force on Leningrad on J4 (need AB at Suiy). Thats not a pretty sight for the Russians.
Note Germany can still Sea Lion if they do a 10 Inf purchase on G1.
G3 Sea Lion just consists of 8 TT (1 Starting + 7 purchased + 1 CV purchased).
If UK1 doesn’t put Inf out on London, you can still Sea Lion effectively. Particularly with a very strong SBR on G2. I’ve done it.
So spending 12 IPC on a Minor in Egypt and putting 10-12 IPC in S.Africa sets you up for it.
Even with G2 ending with 8 TT, thats 8 Inf and some combination of Arm/Art that can land in Archangel or Nov on G3 if the UK went defensive.
Combined with an attack on G3 from Poland on the Baltics (Supported with Arm from the French Invasion) you can have solid stacks on G3 that end up in the Baltics and Arch, effectively surrounding Leningrad for G4. Just so happens if Leningrad falls to Germany on G4, the Japs can land their entire air Force on Leningrad on J4 (need AB at Suiy). Thats not a pretty sight for the Russians.
I don’t think a wise UK player would leave UK completely undefended UK1.
In my last game I bought 6inf 1fig in UK instead of 9inf (the fig could reach the Medi later on) and I didn’t buy a Egypt minor.
In reality you could do a 5inf UK + 1minorIC Egypt round1.
