Are you proud of your country ?

[Guest]

So, let’s see ….

[yourbuttocks]

Yes.

Note I’m not saying America is perfect, but at least we, unlike Europe, (especially France) did not screw up Africa. the Middle East, South America, most of Asia, and if you don’t like the U.S., North America.

I suppose you’d like to be speaking Russian Falk?

[FinsterniS]

@yourbuttocks:

Yes.

Note I’m not saying America is perfect, but at least we, unlike Europe, (especially France) did not screw up Africa. the Middle East, South America, most of Asia, and if you don’t like the U.S., North America.

I suppose you’d like to be speaking Russian Falk?

Patriotism is not helping humanity… i am proud of France and Germany, but like i already said they are not better country, just a country fit for me.

but at least we, unlike Europe, (especially France) did not screw up Africa

You make me laugh YB, i am very, very happy you don’t like Europe, especially France. And I won’t start to say what i think America did wrong…

[yourbuttocks]

Europeans have done way more damage than the U.S., even if you only take the 20th century. Who produced Hitler and Stalin? Who screwed up Africa so bad it is still hurting? Both world wars? Going back a little bit, Who was responsible for 99% of the slaves from West Africa? The French Revolution? THe Napoleonic Wars? Thousands of years of persecution of the Jews? Creating the problems in the middle east. The crusades for goodness sake.

I have nothing against Europe. What I have a problem with is Europeans standing up on their high horses and berating America for being so bad, when their nations have so much more to atone for.

[bossk]

I don’t think I really fit into any of these catagories; sure I’m proud of being a Canadian, but I don’t think it’s necissarily the best country in the world (how does one go about quantifying how “good” a country is), and it is not the only one I have known. I am also an American, and I’m not terribly proud of it, it’s just another citizenship to me.
Also, I don’t think I’ll comment about your posts, YB, I just hope that by blaming Europe you feel good about being an American. :wink:

[yourbuttocks]

I didn’t mean that Europe’s indiscretions made me feel good to be an American, simply that I think it is hypocritical of Europe to talk about how bad America is. And that is the thought process behind starting this thread.

[cystic crypt]

I think i’m with Bossk on this one.
I am proud to be a Canadian much of the time (especially when i’m not in Canada and i have to tell people “no, i’m not an American, i’m a Canadian” and then they buy me beer :)
But we make mistakes much of the time, and i’m not always so proud of our govenment, and various crackpot citizens.
At the same time, there is a lot of beauty in many other country’s (and their systems - European ones included), and unless one’s had the chance to see the beauty in other countries and the ugly in their own, this is an impossible question to answer objectively.
Having said that, yes, i am proud to be a Canadian.

[Guest]

Who produced Hitler… hmmm… in great part Catholicism…

If you want to play that kind of game i can too find lot of horrible thing from the Catholic and the American, but you and i (anyway I) know this would be pointless. Also error from the past does not mean we are still like we were, making errors is part of evolution.

[izcoder]

Hmm, I can’t really understand the pride of being a Canadian, seems they haven’t really done much of anything. They kinda just sit North of us and criticize every decision we make. What’s so good about Canada?

[cystic crypt]

@izcoder:

Hmm, I can’t really understand the pride of being a Canadian, seems they haven’t really done much of anything. They kinda just sit North of us and criticize every decision we make. What’s so good about Canada?

are you being facetious?

[DeviantScripter]

LOL, yea. I’m just playin’ with ya, eh? :wink:

[cystic crypt]

@Deviant:Scripter:

LOL, yea. I’m just playin’ with ya, eh? :wink:

i thought so. Most people on this forum seemed quite intelligent and more “enlightened” than most, so i was a little stunned at first.
Oh, and btw - we really do not criticize the US very often (not enough, i think) which is why the US wanted us on the G7 (formerly G6, now G8), but rather we tend to support the US in many respects, particularly in military op’s, humanitarian aid (see 9/11), etc.
and also, appropriate use of the term “eh” - most non-Canadians do not use that term appropriately and it makes us sound even stupider :D

[DeviantScripter]

Ok, Ok. I’m sorry. I’ll have to quit generalizing about Canada now, I can see that now everyone up there is like the one’s I’ve met. Please accept my apologies. :D

[Mr Ghoul]

Eh? What are you talking about crypt?
What good did American ever do Eh?
They just drop alot of bombs Eh?
And And they have dumb beer Eh!
Eh?

[Mr Ghoul]

Eh Vs Ya’LL :wink:

[TG Moses VI]

@CC:

and also, appropriate use of the term “eh” - most non-Canadians do not use that term appropriately and it makes us sound even stupider

Hey, hey, hey… let’s not jump to conclusions shall we? I use “eh” all the time as a sign of brotherhood. Eh, comrades? Eh?

If you want to play that kind of game i can too find lot of horrible thing from the Catholic and the American, but you and i (anyway I) know this would be pointless. Also error from the past does not mean we are still like we were, making errors is part of evolution.

Agreed. (YB does not represent all Americans! [well… not Californians at least :)])

@CC:

I thought so. Most people on this forum seemed quite intelligent and more “enlightened” than most, so i was a little stunned at first.

Intelligent maybe, but “enlightened?” I’m not too sure about that (points to myself and TM :roll: ).

[Field Marshal]

I think we can all take pride in our countries outside of the political motivations of our ruling administrations. I don’t really fit into one of the categories in the poll, either. I’m proud of the good the people of the US can do, fully knowing the bad the goes with it. 9/11 showed how Americans can pull together in a moment of crisis, we can take pride in that…

[TG Moses VI]

A) Yes, i am proud, it’s better than any country of the world
B) Yes, i am proud …. well, it’s the only one i know
C) No, I can’t be proud of something which i inherited.
D) No, i am not proud. There are too many things that suck in my country
E) pride is surely one of the 7 cardinal sins… therefor i can’t be proud … (this is not eligible for non-US citizens :) )

First this subject is very hard to explain because I’m proud to be a Yankee, a Confederate, a nationalist, and a sectionalist all at the same time (contradiction?). You really have to talk to me in person before you can understand what I am trying to say. That given: Let me use my process of elimination here.

E) Is invalid because I’m not Catholic (though I still believe in a “lot” of the Cardinal Sins)
D) Maybe. There are a lot of problems with America today and in our history. However, there’s a lot of good, too. When weighing the scales, I think America’s strengths outweighs its faults.
A) Maybe. I like to believe so, but I haven’t been to every other country to give an honest, unbiased answer. I’ll tell you what, there are places I wouldn’t mind to live in. That says a lot coming from me.
C) Is invalid because I worked hard to contribute, discover, and learn what makes my country so great. I do not simply consider someone born in America to be “American.” There’s so much more than that. That being said, I feel that I have sufficiently completed those obligations as representative of my country and why I know I can be prideful of.
B) Maybe. I would accept this answer because I am proud. However, it’s [my country] not the only one I know.

Final Answer: B. It may be worded incorrectly for my taste, but I feel it’s what suits my opinion best.

[Guest]

yb…… thanks a lot … :)

@yourbuttocks:

Note I’m not saying America is perfect, but at least we, unlike Europe, (especially France) did not screw up Africa. the Middle East, South America, most of Asia, and if you don’t like the U.S., North America.

I suppose you’d like to be speaking Russian Falk?

Well, i would be talking german still. Read your history books, and have a few thoughts here and then…. i would be talking german, for two reasons.
if you can’t think of them, feel free to ask.

@yourbuttocks:

Europeans have done way more damage than the U.S., even if you only take the 20th century. Who produced Hitler and Stalin? Who screwed up Africa so bad it is still hurting? Both world wars? Going back a little bit, Who was responsible for 99% of the slaves from West Africa? The French Revolution? THe Napoleonic Wars? Thousands of years of persecution of the Jews? Creating the problems in the middle east. The crusades for goodness sake.

I love the crusades and the antisemitism…. that’s why we exprted all the religious nutcases to the new world, where they had nothing else to do but found a bunch of states for themselves, slaughtering natives in a way that is really interesting.

Yes, we europeans have done a lot of mistakes, but we have learnt something from that. There is no need for you to repeat our mistakes. Just listen every now and then, what others have to say.
You are 15, right? Wait some 10 years, and then you will understand what i say.
You are in your puberty, and probably you hate to take advice from “older” ppl (brothers, sisters, parents, teachers, etc). You probably hate it even more when you have to admit that they were right here and there.
Now: The US is dominating the world for nearly 60 years now. Europe dominated a long time before that. We have done our mistakes. We can see them. You are repeating not each and every, but most of them.
There is no need to repeat them, if you listen to “your older brother” and then think!

@yourbuttocks:

I didn’t mean that Europe’s indiscretions made me feel good to be an American, simply that I think it is hypocritical of Europe to talk about how bad America is. And that is the thought process behind starting this thread.

THIS IS THE ARROGANCE I AM ALWAYS TALKING OF !
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT MY IDEA WAS?
In fact, i was only intersted in what the ppl might think here, knowing there are a lot of Canadians and USies here… wondering what the Canadians would say, and wether the USies would (once more) follow my internal prediction/prejudice…
You again over-did my expectations. I really thought that the USies here would have slowly learnt the following:

Saying " Hey, the US is maybe not the best" (and my poll here is not even saying that, that is a wrong interpretation by you) … is not the biggest insult that is possible. If you feel so, then you are a nationalist and hypocrit, both in the worst possible sense.

Think of that.

[Guest]

@TG:

First this subject is very hard to explain because I’m proud to be a Yankee, a Confederate, a nationalist, and a sectionalist all at the same time (contradiction?). You really have to talk to me in person before you can understand what I am trying to say.

Thank you.
I think i know what you mean, as i am a human being first, then a european and a north german (these two are equally important for me) and then after quite some time a german.

I am glad that statistics don’t lie and there are smart USies out there ;) :) ….