• Well, since I don’t subscribe to any of those victicrat magizines, exactly what sort of war crimes was John Ashcroft accused of?


  • @HortenFlyingWing:

    John Ashcroft visits Europe on vacation. Someone accuses him of warcrimes! Same with soldiers. It is that simple. We have to prevent that for our militaries.

    The victor writes history…he might as well control the courts…it is not like an international court would not be unbiased. If certain people don’t get the death pelenty, and if that’s the go to court, then it isn’t serving its purpose.

    Poor John Ashcroft (he says sarcastically).
    When i tried to vacation in Europe i was accused of being an American, so John-boy can just stick THAT in his pity-pipe and smoke it!
    (stupid Britishers . . . can’t tell a Canadian from an American . . . bunch of regional savages . . . ).


  • Ha, teaches you. Britian is the worst place to go. :P
    Horrible weather, bad food, snobbish people, and their American isn’t that good. :roll:


  • “All of this, and you’re still not communist!? What is with you!?”

    Well… only if you ask nicely and let me spend some more time on the computer :D :wink:

    “Ha, teaches you. Britian is the worst place to go. :P”

    Moses, I would be surprised if you did not complain about every place you went to! Her Majesty’s United Kingdom is really not that bad of a place to go :)


  • Been to Canada, France, Britain, and Italy, I’m telling you, stay on this continent :)


  • @TM:

    Well… only if you ask nicely and let me spend some more time on the computer :D :wink:

    Yeah, you wish! The day you see this happening is the day I grow three legs and sprout into a flying hippopotamus :P

    @TM:

    Moses, I would be surprised if you did not complain about every place you went to! Her Majesty’s United Kingdom is really not that bad of a place to go :)

    Bah-humbug! THe only other place I rather be than in California is that South. That way I’m not looked down as some foreigner – and you know how the rest of the world “hates” Americans.


  • “and you know how the rest of the world “hates” Americans”

    silly, we don’t hate all americans. we hate the usa… individual americans are human beings just like the rest of us… it’s just the lack of compassion in your institutions that i hate…


  • America hates the world. America is the world’s bully.


  • I’m back! Did anyone miss me? I missed all the anti-American rhetoric.

    I understand that America is not perfect. As a nation we have stepped on toes and caused damage. But the anti-americanism is more about a convient target and American culture than anythin justified.

    About the crimminal court, it would be useless, as it would have no juridistiction outside of Europe and possibly Japan and the U.S.

    Meanwhile, human rights abuses are rampant in much of Asia, South West Asia and Africa.


  • “I’m back! Did anyone miss me?”

    I DID!!! :D

    "About the crimminal court, it would be useless, as it would have no juridistiction outside of Europe and possibly Japan and the U.S.

    Meanwhile, human rights abuses are rampant in much of Asia, South West Asia and Africa."

    For the Criminal Court to work, every country must have equal representation and equal say. The United Nation is one example of an organization that suffers too much from being run too much by American and European interest. The Criminal Court should let the smaller countries’ voice be heard, to let them know that they also make a difference.


  • “I’m back! Did anyone miss me? I missed all the anti-American rhetoric.”

    Ha, some return. :wink:

    Anyways, I have a qustion about the ICC. Can the countries that do NOT sign the treaty still be held accountable for war crimes and the like?


  • For the Criminal Court to work, every country must have equal representation and equal say. The United Nation is one example of an organization that suffers too much from being run too much by American and European interest. The Criminal Court should let the smaller countries’ voice be heard, to let them know that they also make a difference.

    The USA doest not want that… in fact the USA are making lots of thing against the international community, i wonder how it will finish… the Agriculture financement, the Steel problem, Kyoto, International Court and more recently the USA did’nt sign the protocol against torture, theses are all problems that are raising antiamerican feeling in Europe…

    @TG:

    "Anyways, I have a qustion about the ICC. Can the countries that do NOT sign the treaty still be held accountable for war crimes and the like?

    No, that’s why the USA does not want it sign, they know some of their generals would be accused. The ICC might only work if all country sign it, it would not be easy but one day we will need an international court so we are better starting now.


  • “No, that’s why the USA does not want it sign, they know some of their generals would be accused. The ICC might only work if all country sign it, it would not be easy but one day we will need an international court so we are better starting now.”

    Well, I not sure that it’ll will work. If your country was responsible for crimes against humanity, would you sign the agreement? So far this has proven true for many “tyrant” countries refusing to sign the Treaty. How would you get them to sign? In fact, two-thirds of all world governments, representing about five-sixths of the world’s 6 billion people, are not party to the global court treaty. And who is going to pick up the $100 million annual price tag for a prosecutor and 18 judges? It may be hard to raise this amount of money without the United States and Japan (both of which have not ratified), who supply nearly one-half of the U.N.'s annual budget.


  • With regards to America - i see it less as acting against the rest of the world, and more as acting “for America”. Given the amount of “anti-American” sentiment, as well as the world’s double-standard against it’s (arguably) greatest power, i can see why America chooses to act in what appears to be its immediate best interests, despite the wishes of the international community.
    Furthermore, what has the international community ever done for America? America has donated soldiers, food, money, etc. to help countries that has wronged her (and yes, sometimes an agenda was in place), and yet the international community repeatedly comes down on America.
    As a non-American i can see it’s hesitancy to enter a contract such as the ICC. If this concept went against time-honored Canadian values, i would be loathe for us to sign it - especially if Canadians would more likely be targetted by it.
    All i am saying is let’s get a little perspective - America’s unwillingness to attach itself to the ICC is at the least understandable, and at worst a thorn in the sides of those who wish to create a redundant institution at the expense of improving existing institutions.


  • Well, just try not to be too hard on us Americans. We are the most generous people on earth. Each year we donate billions in aid to underdeveloped coutnries and the like. Yet, America still gets less respect. Why even bother then?


  • It should read “some of the most,” but I am stupid American, I like my superlatives jumbo sized and with a side order of fries. :roll: Anyways, it is a fact that America does contribute the most in foreign investment and charitable goods (food, clothing, medicine, expertise, ect). However, in terms of GNP, the percentage of what we do donate should be higher. But if all we get are ill-feelings, why do more? It’s easy to blame the US government, but (behold - Democracy!) political parties and ideologies come and go. The American people and the nation’s reputation are what gets tarnished. I guess with the fall of the USSR, there is no longer a weight to counteract the American superpower.


  • Probably the latter with a bit of the former. Of course this will all change with time.

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