“is that a serious question, or was it just to bring in that Patton-quote?”
As a serious question. I thought a Patton quote would do a good job at conveying it. How old was he? Was he like the late, great Konrad Adenauer?
“hello hello hello! hey TJ [TG]. well i agree with the Facist that i beleive that the State should be controlled by one man and run by the Military. i beleive iin Expansion for i am a Military nut.”
How can just one man control the entire state? How can the military operate the state and regulate itself, all while maintaining its primary function? The problem with a fascist state is the need to expand. With a constant state of military readiness and its expansion, something has to give (case in point, the USSR). This forces the state to expand through military conquest and territorial gains in order to satisfy appetites of a mobilized state (read Roman Empire and Mussolini’s Fascist Italy). I’m a military nut too, but as a communist, I see no need for such a military force – especially during peacetime.
“Just to be shot AFAIR short after that by the old cliques.”
What does AFAIR mean?
@TG:
“is that a serious question, or was it just to bring in that Patton-quote?”
As a serious question. I thought a Patton quote would do a good job at conveying it. How old was he? Was he like the late, great Konrad Adenauer?
What does AFAIR mean?
My Granddad was in his 30s when Hitler took over. He was just a “small light” in a small village, but being social demcorat is enough to get you “interrogated” for a few days. I can’t remember exactly why, but he was “unable” to fight (i think it was his knees, plus that he was not trustworthy for the regime).
So, not as important as any of the politicians that made the federal republic to what it is (and i prefer Kurt Schumacher to Adenaur, i think Schumacher was a greater man).
AFAIR: as far as i remember
Kurt Schumacher, Konrad Adenauer, Theodor Heuss, and the many others, even the ‘small lights’ :), who stood up against Hitler’s regime were all people of high stature and caliber. I think their political careers and hardships will reflect that.
PS: My ‘favorite’ of the post-World War II German governing body was Willy Brandt, a influential and very well-liked Soical Democrat. I also like Ernst Reuter if you are looking into someone older.
Willy Brandt was in my opinion the best chancellor germany ever had. He opened the way to reunification, he took the responsibility when it came out that one of his subordinates was an east german spy (unlike Helmut Kohl, who at least two such incidents refused to step back).
Hate to change the tone, but I’m a heavy moderate. All sides have good points to the issues. Moderates have to make them work in the form of compromise. Don’t stand on either side of the fence, sit on it and take a good look around…
@TM:
Kurt Schumacher, Konrad Adenauer, Theodor Heuss, and the many others, even the ‘small lights’ :), who stood up against Hitler’s regime were all people of high stature and caliber. I think their political careers and hardships will reflect that.
PS: My ‘favorite’ of the post-World War II German governing body was Willy Brandt, a influential and very well-liked Soical Democrat. I also like Ernst Reuter if you are looking into someone older.
Wait a second, since when do you know who these people are? Willy Brandt is someone on the top of my list of German Chancellors - even if he was a Social Democrat. If memory serves me correct, he received a Nobel Peace Prize (though I forgot what for) and became the “Man of the Year” in 1970(?). Ernst Reuter also deserves high marks for his courage courage and determination during the Berlin Blockade. Both were the mayors of West Berlin during these turbulent times.
@TG:
Wait a second, since when do you know who these people are? Willy Brandt is someone on the top of my list of German Chancellors - even if he was a Social Democrat. If memory serves me correct, he received a Nobel Peace Prize (though I forgot what for) and became the “Man of the Year” in 1970(?).
The Nobel Prize was porbably for his politics concerning the eastern block. Making weat germany a trustful country with his appearance in Poland etc.
“Wait a second, since when do you know who these people are? Willy Brandt is someone on the top of my list of German Chancellors - even if he was a Social Democrat. If memory serves me correct, he received a Nobel Peace Prize (though I forgot what for) and became the “Man of the Year” in 1970(?). Ernst Reuter also deserves high marks for his courage courage and determination during the Berlin Blockade. Both were the mayors of West Berlin during these turbulent times.”
Are you forgetting that I helped you write your term paper for European Studies, “The State of Revolution: Western Europe Following World War Two.” :wink:
Ha. Now, lets never speak of this again :wink:
Yikes, fascists…commies…I doubt most of you really understand what you are talking about :) Reminds me of school kids debating over Nikes, designer jeans and the like. Sure looks purty, and is all the rage…but completely unaware as to the costs and tradeoffs associated with those costs.
NB: If your thinking, hey I know the cost…$69.99, you have just proven my point.
On any dimension, Fascism & Communism are bankrupt: morally, socially, militarily, economically, spiritually…although, I will acknowledge that Communist theory at least starts with humanistic interests at heart; it is just fatally flawed. I suspect the so called proponents of Fascism have not a whit of a clue as to what Fascism is, and could not even adequately define it. Shiny belts, nice banners, cool military equipment, etc are the regalia of Fascism…they are not Fascism itself. It is hard to believe that any reasonably intelligent and informed person would come anywhere near associating themselves with either of these dogmas in the modern era. As I have no insight into their intelligence, I shall console myself with a belief that they are simply uninformed.
SUD
I am not a big fan of either facism or Communism. And Moses, you side with the Europeans and Canadians against your fellow American frequently.
Any government system is perfect if perfect people run it. From my point of view, all governments are searches for the best possible leaders. Democracy selects better leaders than Facism.
I am not a big fan of either facism or Communism. And Moses, you side with the Europeans and Canadians against your fellow American frequently.
Well… I just like to be on the side of the underdogs - that’s how I am. Don’t worry, if the time ever came where I could defend my country from any harm, I glady would do it.
“I regret that I have but one life to give to my country” - Nathan Hale, American Patriot
DAm Commie :P
Hey, I’m the damned Commie that’s willing to risk his life for one’s country. :)
“Workers of the World Unite.”
o yea well im that nice old Ewokist who will risk his fellow Subjects lives for the common good! SWFREAKS,NeoFacists,BTFREAKS, LOZERS, EWOKS of the world UNITE!
I’m afraid what you think the “common good” is :roll:
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! its a mix between :D and :evil: . ;)
Pardon me for asking, Sir DasEwokSS, but what are ‘SWFREAKS, NeoFacists, and BTFREAKS’?
Star Wars Freaks , Noe Facists, and BAttleTech Fraks ;)
You’re a fan of BattleTech? Since when?
