http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m-Jd_gV_oQ
Hard to top that.
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what? and im not a Pure Facist i just agree with many of there ideas and Facism is the closest thing that i know comapred to my veiw so i proudly call my self a Facist!
Problem is that you will get a “half-fascism”. Do the “good points” make up for the “bad points”, that’s something you should ask for.
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do u have AIm or ICQ so we can have this conversation move quicker and better?
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i do have icq, yes…. what is your number?
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161687703
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It was pretty interesting reading up on this little conservation. However (and you won’t see this a lot), I will have to side with the European instead of the Northern Yankee. Honestly, Wicket, do you have any idea what you are saying about fascism? Now I admit, I use to be a pseudo-facist back in the day as a counterculture act against the rebellion of the youth. It just seemed like “keeping in line” and being a faceless member of the state was the only way to preserve order amid chaos (this preyed on my nationalistic side). However, as I started to look into it some more, I found out how hideously wrong I was. It’s great to be the fascist – if you’re at the top, but what if your not (which 99.9% of the people reside)? Another main problem with fascism is the transition of power and the eventual need to “expand.” Now, if you really want a party, Communist is the way to go, Comrade. A Specter haunts over America– that Specter is Communism! 8)
“Second: My granddad was a social democrat.”
“Where was your granddad during the great World War II?” – George S. Patton
“and im not a Pure Facist i just agree with many of there ideas and Facism is the closest thing that i know comapred to my veiw so i proudly call my self a Facist!”
What parts do you agree/disagree with? But you’re right, it is hard to tell a “pure facist” today - mainly because were now entering the 21st Century and all previous theories have to be revised to cope with this (Communism being a fine example)
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@TG:
“Second: My granddad was a social democrat.”
“Where was your granddad during the great World War II?” – George S. Patton
is that a serious question, or was it just to bring in that Patton-quote?
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hello hello hello! hey TJ. well i agree with the Facist that i beleive that the State should be controlled by one man and run by the Military. i beleive iin Expansion for i am a Military nut. and i was into the Communist thing 4 years ago when Red Alert 2 was out but i just didnt Like Communism after a while. so i did some reading and i got upsessed with the wehrmacht.
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So, why not call it military dictatorship then? Fascism is more than that, and it’s adding quite a few not so nice points to it.
btw: the nicest dictator (i am not sure wether it was one, but i think so) was in Burkina Faso some time ago: a 28 year old lieutenant, sick of teh corruption in his country, became president. Just to be shot AFAIR short after that by the old cliques.
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DasEwokSS, you are fachist because you don’t know what it is… “Mein Ehre Heißt Treue”, the motto of the Waffen-SS, is not that horrible… when you don’t know who said that. They kill so much innocent, how can you be blind to that ?
Also complete dictatorship rarely work, because the state is too subject to the emotion of it’s leader. Exept some rare, very very rare, exemple (à la Pisistrate) where it was a good thing.
Germany’s Interior Minister, Otto Schily, says 90% of foreign-based neo-Nazi websites are set up in the United States, where they’re protected by American freedom of speech laws.
In Germany, autorities are really sensible about Nazism, and it’s a good thing !
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“is that a serious question, or was it just to bring in that Patton-quote?”
As a serious question. I thought a Patton quote would do a good job at conveying it. How old was he? Was he like the late, great Konrad Adenauer?
“hello hello hello! hey TJ [TG]. well i agree with the Facist that i beleive that the State should be controlled by one man and run by the Military. i beleive iin Expansion for i am a Military nut.”
How can just one man control the entire state? How can the military operate the state and regulate itself, all while maintaining its primary function? The problem with a fascist state is the need to expand. With a constant state of military readiness and its expansion, something has to give (case in point, the USSR). This forces the state to expand through military conquest and territorial gains in order to satisfy appetites of a mobilized state (read Roman Empire and Mussolini’s Fascist Italy). I’m a military nut too, but as a communist, I see no need for such a military force – especially during peacetime.
“Just to be shot AFAIR short after that by the old cliques.”
What does AFAIR mean?
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@TG:
“is that a serious question, or was it just to bring in that Patton-quote?”
As a serious question. I thought a Patton quote would do a good job at conveying it. How old was he? Was he like the late, great Konrad Adenauer?
What does AFAIR mean?
My Granddad was in his 30s when Hitler took over. He was just a “small light” in a small village, but being social demcorat is enough to get you “interrogated” for a few days. I can’t remember exactly why, but he was “unable” to fight (i think it was his knees, plus that he was not trustworthy for the regime).
So, not as important as any of the politicians that made the federal republic to what it is (and i prefer Kurt Schumacher to Adenaur, i think Schumacher was a greater man).AFAIR: as far as i remember
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Kurt Schumacher, Konrad Adenauer, Theodor Heuss, and the many others, even the ‘small lights’ :), who stood up against Hitler’s regime were all people of high stature and caliber. I think their political careers and hardships will reflect that.
PS: My ‘favorite’ of the post-World War II German governing body was Willy Brandt, a influential and very well-liked Soical Democrat. I also like Ernst Reuter if you are looking into someone older.
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Willy Brandt was in my opinion the best chancellor germany ever had. He opened the way to reunification, he took the responsibility when it came out that one of his subordinates was an east german spy (unlike Helmut Kohl, who at least two such incidents refused to step back).
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Hate to change the tone, but I’m a heavy moderate. All sides have good points to the issues. Moderates have to make them work in the form of compromise. Don’t stand on either side of the fence, sit on it and take a good look around…
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@TM:
Kurt Schumacher, Konrad Adenauer, Theodor Heuss, and the many others, even the ‘small lights’ :), who stood up against Hitler’s regime were all people of high stature and caliber. I think their political careers and hardships will reflect that.
PS: My ‘favorite’ of the post-World War II German governing body was Willy Brandt, a influential and very well-liked Soical Democrat. I also like Ernst Reuter if you are looking into someone older.
Wait a second, since when do you know who these people are? Willy Brandt is someone on the top of my list of German Chancellors - even if he was a Social Democrat. If memory serves me correct, he received a Nobel Peace Prize (though I forgot what for) and became the “Man of the Year” in 1970(?). Ernst Reuter also deserves high marks for his courage courage and determination during the Berlin Blockade. Both were the mayors of West Berlin during these turbulent times.
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@TG:
Wait a second, since when do you know who these people are? Willy Brandt is someone on the top of my list of German Chancellors - even if he was a Social Democrat. If memory serves me correct, he received a Nobel Peace Prize (though I forgot what for) and became the “Man of the Year” in 1970(?).
The Nobel Prize was porbably for his politics concerning the eastern block. Making weat germany a trustful country with his appearance in Poland etc.
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“Wait a second, since when do you know who these people are? Willy Brandt is someone on the top of my list of German Chancellors - even if he was a Social Democrat. If memory serves me correct, he received a Nobel Peace Prize (though I forgot what for) and became the “Man of the Year” in 1970(?). Ernst Reuter also deserves high marks for his courage courage and determination during the Berlin Blockade. Both were the mayors of West Berlin during these turbulent times.”
Are you forgetting that I helped you write your term paper for European Studies, “The State of Revolution: Western Europe Following World War Two.” :wink:
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Ha. Now, lets never speak of this again :wink:
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Yikes, fascists…commies…I doubt most of you really understand what you are talking about :) Reminds me of school kids debating over Nikes, designer jeans and the like. Sure looks purty, and is all the rage…but completely unaware as to the costs and tradeoffs associated with those costs.
NB: If your thinking, hey I know the cost…$69.99, you have just proven my point.
On any dimension, Fascism & Communism are bankrupt: morally, socially, militarily, economically, spiritually…although, I will acknowledge that Communist theory at least starts with humanistic interests at heart; it is just fatally flawed. I suspect the so called proponents of Fascism have not a whit of a clue as to what Fascism is, and could not even adequately define it. Shiny belts, nice banners, cool military equipment, etc are the regalia of Fascism…they are not Fascism itself. It is hard to believe that any reasonably intelligent and informed person would come anywhere near associating themselves with either of these dogmas in the modern era. As I have no insight into their intelligence, I shall console myself with a belief that they are simply uninformed.
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I am not a big fan of either facism or Communism. And Moses, you side with the Europeans and Canadians against your fellow American frequently.
Any government system is perfect if perfect people run it. From my point of view, all governments are searches for the best possible leaders. Democracy selects better leaders than Facism.
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