To me the rules are clear, and they prevent any cheese like triggering true neutrals into pro axis neutrals for the sake of claiming 3 IPCs per territory for Russia. However, the rules say nothing that prevents Russia from controlling Itallian Somoliland and claim 3 IPCs for the spread of communism. Therefore, denying this situation just because Italian Somoliland has zero territorial value would be a house rule IMO, and not a loophole in the rules that needs closing. Besides, this game is not in the position to take away advantages the Allies need desperately in order to compete.
Russian income trick.
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it would only work after Rome is actually taken by USA.
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What happens if the Russian troops are on a UK or US transport taking Sicily (the scenario I was picturing reading the above). What do the Italian fighters scramble against? Can they shoot at UK/US transports on Russia’s combat turn? I thought they could only scramble against Russia. If they’re shooting at a US transport, it doesn’t make much sense that the US fleet has to sit there while its own transport dies.
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In the scenario with Soviets on a US or UK transport:
Italy can scramble, no actual combat occurs (because there is no multinational offense) but scrambling prevents the Russians from offloading.
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hmmm, oh well guess we take africa.
this is a good thing to know about transports. I generally do not have much of a uk fleet when i am doin drops…
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For dice games dropping europe is much easier I think, because you can shuck 10 inf off uk every turn and not get strafed as easily. but for low luck… europe is rough.
i like the KJF approach. uk keepin the ruskie income trick helps out big. get some minors in egypt and persia and mobilize.
it is hard for italy to take it back. always sink 97. sucks so much juice from italy plus no battleship tilt for when he goes to kill french navy. and if you got navy left you can convoy disrupt… if french navy lives it’ll die to germany but it can do an attack. it is kind of funny.
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@Cow:
well 1 russian mech could go to egypt and then blitz down… it just takes a few turns longer. I do this all the time, because I like russian income. those units tend to come back in time for action as well.
A Mech Inf can’t blitz on its own.
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@Vance:
If UK activates North Persia, then Russia can activate Iraq with 2 mech right after the German DOW and get an extra $5. On the next turn they can move into Egypt. If Italy is sulking instead of attacking Egypt, the Russians will get Tobruk ($3) and Ethiopia ($4). Turn after that it will be Libya ($4) and Italian Somaliland ($3). That’s $19. Can anyone seriously think they can win as the axis with Russia earning that? Italy MUST prevent this; they can’t just play defense in Northern Italy. If they fight the battle of attrition with UK over Egypt it will drain UK’s resources as well as their own, but prevent USSR getting anywhere near those NOs.
Russia can’t activate Iraq - Iraq is Pro-axis isn’t it?
You can attack Iraq, defeat the force, and capture it. Meaning you properly have to dedicate more than two Mech. Infs for that. -
mechanized infantry have a movement of 2.
They can blitz with a tank, but otherwise move two spaces over friendly territories.
~Never said russia activates iraq. I said you take it with russia. using either 4 mech units or 2 mech and the 2 persians. use air to assist.
~I have has so much more success as allies doing this. +5 +4 +3 = 12 income everyturn. you get cash back so fast. then after you kill the tobruk force with a bunch of air… bling bling +7 more. does require russia to part with at least 2-4 mech depending on who you want to give persia to.
Such a good investment.
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@Cow:
mechanized infantry have a movement of 2.
They can blitz with a tank, but otherwise move two spaces over friendly territories.
~Never said russia activates iraq. I said you take it with russia. using either 4 mech units or 2 mech and the 2 persians. use air to assist.
~I have has so much more success as allies doing this. +5 +4 +3 = 12 income everyturn. you get cash back so fast. then after you kill the tobruk force with a bunch of air… bling bling +7 more. does require russia to part with at least 2-4 mech depending on who you want to give persia to.
Such a good investment.
Yes, it can blitz with a tank, but you said:
well 1 russian mech could go to egypt and then blitz down
It can’t do that, then you’ll need to dedicate a tank with it.And no, you didn’t’ say activate Iraq - but the person I quoted did.
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@Vance:
If UK activates North Persia, then Russia can activate Iraq with 2 mech right after the German DOW and get an extra $5. On the next turn they can move into Egypt. If Italy is sulking instead of attacking Egypt, the Russians will get Tobruk ($3) and Ethiopia ($4). Turn after that it will be Libya ($4) and Italian Somaliland ($3). That’s $19. Can anyone seriously think they can win as the axis with Russia earning that? Italy MUST prevent this; they can’t just play defense in Northern Italy. If they fight the battle of attrition with UK over Egypt it will drain UK’s resources as well as their own, but prevent USSR getting anywhere near those NOs.
Russia can’t activate Iraq - Iraq is Pro-axis isn’t it?
You can attack Iraq, defeat the force, and capture it. Meaning you properly have to dedicate more than two Mech. Infs for that.Sorry I guess I had the other Persia in my mind. But still, they could ATTACK Iraq if north persia is actiated by UK.
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lez stop arguing guys. russian income from africa is awesome, can we just agree? :)
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@Cow:
lez stop arguing guys. russian income from africa is awesome, can we just agree? :)
Awesome but sometimes hard to do.
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If there is a will, there is a way. :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
Where there’s a whip, there’s a way!
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@Cow:
If there is a will, there is a way. :)
Not if a bomber doesn’t want the transport to get its way.
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Obviously he’d bring some escort.
The Indian fleet will do nicely. -
yeah or have a couple mech maybe a tank with it as well moving toward the spots without a pickup.
I am glad, to see more players doing this russia income thing. Russians aren’t rolling over and dieing to germany as fast now. :)
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If Germany goes hard and fast against USSR on G1, I don’t know if they have the time or the units to spare to gallivanting off into the middle east.
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The units pay for themselves, and if Germany faces any kind of a STALL, the IPC you’ll collect, will give you the edge you need :)
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I been playing allies @ 6-9 bid or against allies with that bid amount. They do the russian income trick a bit easier. russia still gets owned, but it isn’t as bad as before where germany walks out with 19 tanks and then waltz right into egypt.
Still I’d rather russia lost that exploit NO and got to start with a bomber and a couple more inf and USA starting with 1 more bomber as well.
might not need a bid anymore. plus russia is kind of boring sometimes. the bomber makes it seem cooler. hopefully the starting units gets a boost and that NO modified.
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