I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
Police Brutality
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What is the definition of police brutality?
Cops have a dangerous job, they have right to protect themselves.
Obviously, there are limits.
However, if you are breaking the law or violent with police I think you should be dealt with very harshly. -
Iagree with both Ghoul and Patton. Obviously the cops need to have appropriate internal policing and discipline, however i think that the media grabs a couple of “instances” and then out of 300 million people, a couple of cases of rough cops turns into an epidemic of police brutality?
I think that on the whole (at least up here) the cops are doing the best they can with what they have. If a few go “rogue”, then they should be punished, but given a combination of the stressful emotions they suffer (fear, anger, sense of responsibility, etc.) it is easy to see why the odd time one loses it. I’m actually surprised we don’t see more “over-punishment” of arresties. -
@cystic:
Iagree with both Ghoul and Patton. Obviously the cops need to have appropriate internal policing and discipline, however i think that the media grabs a couple of “instances” and then out of 300 million people, a couple of cases of rough cops turns into an epidemic of police brutality?
I think that on the whole (at least up here) the cops are doing the best they can with what they have. If a few go “rogue”, then they should be punished, but given a combination of the stressful emotions they suffer (fear, anger, sense of responsibility, etc.) it is easy to see why the odd time one loses it. I’m actually surprised we don’t see more “over-punishment” of arresties.Yes
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“My biggest problem with this entire situation is that media tends to focus on situations in which the victim was a minority.”
As a member of the minority, I do see this happen a lot. I used to admire Rev. Jesse Jackson, but now I think he’s using Afro Africans for more of his own personal interest, not for the advancement of colored people as a whole. I will not tolerate this.
“I have yet to see anyone speak out against a white police officer being shot by a black man.”
And recently, I have yet to see anyone speak out against a black officer being shot by a white man.
“Yet, when a black man was shot by a white police officer (in self-defence mind you), protestors (led by a black citycouncilman) stormed our freeway (seattle) and shut it down for hours in protest of a racially motivated shooting.”
I don’t keep track as much on crimes in Seattle. What was the particular case? Was it really self-defense? And even if it wasn’t “racially motivated,” was it still justified? You have to ask yourself questions like that. I always try to handle every instance of “police brutality” or “racism” case by case.
“I guess it’s only important enough to protest against when a black man dies…”
Please, I consider this racial biased. Do not be so quick to generalizations. There are still “hate crimes” committed by police officers where the alleged criminal is denied basic rights (such as the right to a phone call or a lawyer) because of the racial bigotry. I’ve seen my own friends unlawfully searched and even victimized by the police without any clear indications to warrant such acts except for the clothes he wore and the color of his skin. Is every case where an officer harms a black protested? No. Are there cases where people protest “race” being a factor, when in reality it should be? Yes. Again, you have to take cases as they come; don’t assume anything.
“My problem is with the hypocrites in the media and in government”
I agree too.
“I’m actually surprised we don’t see more “over-punishment” of arresties.”
Oh I assure you it does. The problem is that even the arrestees are often too afraid to speak out against the PD, the department silences their complaints, the arrestee accept it as the sad fact in life, or they lack the evidence to prove that it did indeed happen. If a police officer victimized you, but there was no evidence he did it, would anybody believe you? Would they even be on your side? Would you want to damage your reputation by doing this? (Making a accusation against someone, even if it is true, is a very serious matter)
“One, there were two black cops there. This was not a hate crime against black people, like the media would wants us to think. I believe that the white cop who punched the guy was an a**hole (cops assholes? thats unpossible.) It seems like his buddies were behind him, so maybe the guy getting arrested nabbed the cop’s nuts. Most probably he thought he would get away with it.”
An interesting thing to point out: When Morse (the officer) hit Jackson (the 16-year-old), we actually saw one of the other police officers pull Morse’s arm away (maybe as an indication that Morse was indeed out of line and might even of hit Jackson again). But like I said, this probably wasn’t a hate crime. I still have to look into this some more.
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"colored people "
i hate that term…so whites aren’t worth of color! we’re peach-ish!
Anyhow the media does tend to focus more on what can possibly be a hate motivated crime. On the day that Diallo guy was shot 41 times, 4 white guys were killed by a mob of black people. Possible both hate crimes, or justy plain crimes, but the media seems to report one thing and not the other.
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“Anyhow the media does tend to focus more on what can possibly be a hate motivated crime. On the day that Diallo guy was shot 41 times, 4 white guys were killed by a mob of black people. Possible both hate crimes, or justy plain crimes, but the media seems to report one thing and not the other.”
Whichever case would get the most viewers and therefore the most publicity, coverage, and outrage. I wish we can all devote equal time and coverage to every murder, robbery, theft, or any other such crime. However, the media can’t and/or won’t. It’s also interesting to also point out how crimes happen all the time in the inner city and the surrounding urban/suburb community. Yet, most of them are hardly covered by the news media. A good example would be child kidnapping. Every year, there are thousands of cases of missing/kidnapped children. In spite of that, hardly do you see any extensive coverage on the news of a minority child being kidnapped or presumed missing. Usually, those who get the most coverage are children (usually a daughter) of white, suburban middle-class families. Think about that.
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@TG:
“Anyhow the media does tend to focus more on what can possibly be a hate motivated crime. On the day that Diallo guy was shot 41 times, 4 white guys were killed by a mob of black people. Possible both hate crimes, or justy plain crimes, but the media seems to report one thing and not the other.”
Whichever case would get the most viewers and therefore the most publicity, coverage, and outrage. I wish we can all devote equal time and coverage to every murder, robbery, theft, or any other such crime. However, the media can’t and/or won’t. It’s also interesting to also point out how crimes happen all the time in the inner city and the surrounding urban/suburb community. Yet, most of them are hardly covered by the news media. A good example would be child kidnapping. Every year, there are thousands of cases of missing/kidnapped children. In spite of that, hardly do you see any extensive coverage on the news of a minority child being kidnapped or presumed missing. Usually, those who get the most coverage are children (usually a daughter) of white, suburban middle-class families. Think about that.
There is more shock value there.
People would expect horrible things to happen in inner cities. -
For better or for worst, shock value, hate crimes, ect. it’s all harnessed by the media to get the people to watch.
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“Whichever case would get the most viewers and therefore the most publicity, coverage, and outrage. I wish we can all devote equal time and coverage to every murder, robbery, theft, or any other such crime. However, the media can’t and/or won’t. It’s also interesting to also point out how crimes happen all the time in the inner city and the surrounding urban/suburb community. Yet, most of them are hardly covered by the news media. A good example would be child kidnapping. Every year, there are thousands of cases of missing/kidnapped children. In spite of that, hardly do you see any extensive coverage on the news of a minority child being kidnapped or presumed missing. Usually, those who get the most coverage are children (usually a daughter) of white, suburban middle-class families. Think about that.”
Naw, any little girl in a “safe area.” The media purposely likes to provoke hatreds and issues, just to get viewers. If the establishment was overhwelming liberal, i’m sure the media would defy conventions and be conservative.
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But you are forgetting that here, the Establishment is overhwelming liberal. (media being what you see on the newspaper and TV, radio is very conservative [at least the stations I listen to])
“Naw, any little girl in a “safe area.””
I wouldn’t be too sure. I’ve seen cases of minority “little girls” taken from “safe areas” but they hardly get any media coverage. But, like you said, the media does purposely provoke ill feelings and issues just to get viewers even when none exist.
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I don’t think it matters whether they’re liberal or conservative…they’re all full of a bunch of half-truths anways…
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