@Curtmungus your honor of being more famous than me is quite deserved. I salute you.
International Crimminal Court
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First, Moses don’t make me laugh by saying that the Democratic Party is liberal. It, much like the republicans, is rather a loose collection of constituincies than a party. The thing is, the Republicans, unlike the Democrats, don’t pretend that they are for the people or that they are anything other than soft money whores.
Second, Moses, didn’t you say you were an agnostic/theist rather than a christian?
Third, Fisternis, I don’t know why Moses incorectly labels himself. If he is unsure that any lable applies (like me) then DON"T LABEL YOURSELF. It is almost like lying.
Fourth, guess me and Crypt on the same page as ussual. " How is this court supposed to be different from the one in Den Hague?" My thougts exactly. If you ask me, its a waste of time.
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"Second, Moses, didn’t you say you were an agnostic/theist rather than a christian?
Third, Fisternis, I don’t know why Moses incorectly labels himself. If he is unsure that any lable applies (like me) then DON"T LABEL YOURSELF. It is almost like lying."
I hope that I can answer both questions for you, Sir Yourbuttocks. I have come to know that Christianity is theist, is it not? Having known TG for a long, long time :wink: he does fit the Conservative Right narrative if that is what you are asking.
If I may not trouble anyone so much, but what is wrong with the ‘International Criminal Court treaty?’ I think it would be a step up from the United Nations, and that most European countries are for the treaty. What is wrong with this?
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If I may not trouble anyone so much, but what is wrong with the ‘International Criminal Court treaty?’ I think it would be a step up from the United Nations, and that most European countries are for the treaty. What is wrong with this?
Americans are afraid their own CO would be judged :)
I find ridicoulus the “America have immunity” thing… That is’nt justice.
I just wish this Court will work out, it could be a great thing if it work…
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It won’t work. I vote NO.
It’ll all turn into politics.
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“First, Moses don’t make me laugh by saying that the Democratic Party is liberal. It, much like the republicans, is rather a loose collection of constituincies than a party. The thing is, the Republicans, unlike the Democrats, don’t pretend that they are for the people or that they are anything other than soft money whores.”
I never said that the Demo Party was truely liberal, though much more than the GOP. It’s true that the Republicans are having “inner-problems” (changing of the “Guard”) and the Democrats have, too, but there’s a reason they been around for so long. I don’t think both parties are as shaky as you would make them seem to be. Also Democrats and Republicans are worlds apart, though I do agree, that Democrats “pretend” they represent the common interest of the people. In reality, this is just effective ploy at getting votes– “He who robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.”
“Second, Moses, didn’t you say you were an agnostic/theist rather than a christian?”
What made you think otherwise?
“Third, Fisternis, I don’t know why Moses incorectly labels himself. If he is unsure that any lable applies (like me) then DON"T LABEL YOURSELF. It is almost like lying.”
Hmmmm… funny how you never answered my post when I questioned you to compare my “conservative” points with my “leftist” ones. Also, I think my label is quite right – it serves its purpose. It’s also funny how you take such great offense to this.
Now moving back to the subject at hand, for now I have to agree with TM on the International Courts. I have not studied it thoroughly, though a few questions arise:
-There is a danger that the court will be seen as geographically unrepresentative and Western dominated.
-Only one Arab state has joined so far (Jordan) and hardly any from Asia.
-The ICC would have to figure out some way to “adjust” judicial laws in the existing governments that have signed the treaty
-Expense of the ICC would mostly be done on a national wealth basis, meaning that USA would have to foot much of the tab :o
-other questions, such as the actual running of the court system and representationHowever, FinsterniS does raise some good questions. There’s been talk of this “Double Standard” against Americans, but we might be provoking it by refusing to sign. A lot of this stems from our wanting of immunity for our soldiers and diplomats brought before the court on cases of war crimes and crimes against humanity, while other countries are not subject to such “privileges.” But us Americans can counter with our fear of politically motivated or frivolous prosecutions on our soldiers. Then again the Europeans can counter that various safeguards were introduced partly to meet this objection. Also the International Courts is more of a “last-resort” option, intervening only when national authorities cannot or will not prosecute.
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@TG:
However, FinsterniS does raise some good questions. There’s been talk of this “Double Standard” against Americans, but we might be provoking it by refusing to sign. A lot of this stems from our wanting of immunity for our soldiers and diplomats brought before the court on cases of war crimes and crimes against humanity, while other countries are not subject to such “privileges.” But us Americans can counter with our fear of politically motivated or frivolous prosecutions on our soldiers. Then again the Europeans can counter that various safeguards were introduced partly to meet this objection. Also the International Courts is more of a “last-resort” option, intervening only when national authorities cannot or will not prosecute.
solution - put it in Ottawa. Or London. I believe either jurisdiction might be considered to be relatively neutral when it comes to questions about America and Europe and politics. Certainly much more than America, or France/Germany etc.
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That’s the problem, the world isn’t just about American and European politics. Japan might also be a logical place to put it (though I don’t think they ratified it yet). OR if you really want to entice entice us, just put it in USA (or at least Canada), we would pay the most for expenses anyways.
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@TG:
That’s the problem, the world isn’t just about American and European politics. Japan might also be a logical place to put it (though I don’t think they ratified it yet). OR if you really want to entice entice us, just put it in USA (or at least Canada), we would pay the most for expenses anyways.
OO OO
or Australia . . . they have a built in internment camp - see the outback. -
Australia might be a nice place (being in the middle of nowhere [j/k] :wink:) to hold the courts. But maybe I was thinking of putting it in the Middle of the World for equal geographic representation. Though I’m not sure where the Middle of the World would be.
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I would like it if the courts were in the United States of America, though anywhere would be all right by me. :)
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First, Austrailia IS the middle of no where. The court should be run by the Japanese, they have no army, and they need something to do other than play those stupid dancing games. :)
Second, Moses, didn’t you say something about meeting Jesus? scratches head
Third, even Yanny understands that this is not about justice, but rather politicking:
I vote NO
Fourth, I never said that the Democratic party is unstable. I said that it is loose, because it’s members are not really bound by ideology as much as red(Demo) team v. blue(Repub) team mentality. Over the last decade, Democrats got about 450 million from companies, Republicans got about 600 million from companies. Many of the people who got rich from the corporate scandals were democrats. So much for the “party of the have-nots” More like the party which buys the votes of the have-nots (welfare). Not that I like the Republicans, but overrall I feel that them being more out and out money whores is more honest than the democrats.
Fifth, even Fisternis understands that you incorrectly lable yourself. For goodness sakes you are a protect-people’s-rights-to-be-degenerate- commie. I think I put up the address of a political test in another post.
Sixth, I wish the court would work out, just like I wish Communism could work. But at some point you have to pull your head out of the clouds and deal with reality.
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Simple enough, countries will never agree on laws, penalties, and due process. It will end up with America not participating because of lack of Death Penalty, and all other countries outside of NATO and Japan will rule, lesser countries won’t have any say.
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“Second, Moses, didn’t you say something about meeting Jesus? scratches head”
Yeah, I met Jesus before (still good friends), but what does this have to do with Christianity? That was between him and me. :o
“Many of the people who got rich from the corporate scandals were democrats.”
This is true, yet they [Democrats] stand back and raise taxes as a gesture to steal the vote from the “common man.”
“ideology as much as red(Demo) team v. blue(Repub) team mentality.”
If this is true, then I would be free to pratice my conservative ideology as I see it.
“Fifth, even Fisternis understands that you incorrectly lable yourself. For goodness sakes you are a protect-people’s-rights-to-be-degenerate- commie. I think I put up the address of a political test in another post.”
Ha, funny how I took your little “test” and I came up libral, right centrist (hmmmm…. I wonder why? :P). FinsterniS (with a capital S) doesn’t know the whole story yet, so I reckon that wouldn’t result in much. “a protect-people’s-rights-to-be-degenerate-commie” Good description, though I don’t know where you found “degenerate” from. I’m CCC (Confederate Conservative Communist)
“Sixth, I wish the court would work out, just like I wish Communism could work. But at some point you have to pull your head out of the clouds and deal with reality.”
Yet another useless and ineffective jab against communism :-?
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In the test, were you liberal or right? ignore the centrist box. If you look at the test, if you believe in Communism, and in repealing prostitution and drug laws, you are leftist.
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The box showed me upper right (which judging by the graph, shows a Libertarian-Conservative). BTW, I wouldn’t trust such “Test your Affiliation” evaluations – too much ‘yes’ or ‘no’ without gray spots in between. There was M (Maybe?), though I think this box for uneducated minds who don’t even understand the question.
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? Wait, what was your economic score and your personal score?
Wasn\t it a diamond? In which quater did it place you?
A conservative libertarian is the antithesis of a communist (economically)
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Exactly, you seem more to be like the complete opposite of communism economically and also from an ideological point of view…
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Nothing is as it seems
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@TG:
[Points to self] Here is rightist American voting for International Court. :P
i voted against. It is insane…for one, France doesn’t like killing American murderers, so why would a international (not european) court want to put people to death…and then there is the whole American soldier and diplomat issues. Stop breaking our balls and put an immunioty for NATO members.
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Yes, another problem would be if there would be capital punishment under the ICC.
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