12L, AA50-41, Ol' Blood&Guts (Axis) vs. Boldfresh (Allies+7), no tech, + NOs

[Guest]

@Gargantua:

However, because of Your policies about the written text superceding the map, and your clarity on the issue, BF,� Ol Guts has every right to hold you to your own standard.

@cts17:

But. Boldfresh started this game saying that the written code is the law, denying BG the opportunity with his armor…
So stick to your code, Boldfresh!

My point exactly….no double standards

[Gargantua]

I’m afraid OBG doesn’t have a leg to stand on here

Although OBG - in all fairness, should not have proceeded with the Japanese move, until the discrepancy was resolved.

I respectfully DISAGREE with the statement that he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

Why does OBG have to review the legality of Boldfreshes moves constantly, especially in games, where he is offered no quarter or mistake/error remission?

If the shoe was on the other fit, BF wouldn’t be backing down either.

Also,  I’m a player that plays this game TURNS in advance.  I don’t buy the arguement that Japan’s turn has no effect on Russian Moves.  It doesn’t matter.  Dice are rolled, I proved this arguement on a J1 Global - in which Russia was still a neutral nation.  Those tanks could end up in India, or China or elsewhere in a few turns, and once ANY dice are rolled - everything is locked in.  Unless the entire turn is invalidated.

[Gargantua]

It’s a sticky situation, but out of honor - Boldfresh should eat the dirt here.

[gamerman01]

Garg you’re just addicted to playing devil’s advocate

Disagree that Bold would do the same as OBG.  Bold can see the difference between the situations.

OBG does not have to review the legality of Bold’s moves constantly any more than any of us.  Playing with battlemap and typing, I ALWAYS check everything that’s typed and everything on the map before proceeding.  I have VERY few misunderstandings like this that way, too.

When do I get to play you and kick your ass?

[boldfresh]

OBG, it is just not a double standard.  no one hates a double standard more than me.  I would completely eat the dirt if it was a double standard. Â

Garg, what you don’t seem to understand is the difference between combat and noncombat moves and how dice are involved.  combat moves as typed cannot be verified on a map.

if obg had been keeping his own map and not using mine, then there would at least be a reasonable argument, and i would probably just agree to go with his map.  but since he is not, and actually brought up the discrepancy, if he just waits for me to clarify (which would have taken minutes) we would be happily playing and not wasting time on this discussion.

[Gargantua]

When do I get to play you and kick your a**?

As soon as you can download TripleA - Which I am certain you are going to prefer over battlemap within a week.

I honestly don’t have the time to type all the moves etc.  Turns in TripleA I can crank out in minutes - as opposed to Abattlemap in hours.

I can set you up with the link for download/install,  to make it a two or three click solution.  A Battlemap is actually much more difficult to confirm versions, install new maps, etc.

Also,

This has nothing to do with playing devils advocate, but everything to do with player conduct and honor.

[boldfresh]

if we wait for a moderator answer and the answer is in my favor, OBG can later complain about it and feel badly about me as an opponent.  thus, i am willing to continue with euk open and give up the russian NO, the very thing i wanted to avoid and that OBG is hoping to exploit.

obg, i choose to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not deliberately trying to screw me by acting like you think this it is a double standard for me to ask to noncom an infantry to euk, which to me it is clearly not. Â

i will go ahead with the UK with the map you posted OBG. Â

FOR CLARIFICATION, i mean that only combat moves as typed cannot be changed AFTER DICE ARE THROWN.  noncombat moves CAN be changed if they are not in agreement with the map.  if a player notices that there is a disagreement between noncombat typing and the map, they should ask for clarification.  had i stated this more clearly from the beginning, this issue never would have come up as well.

so, i guess i will eat dirt on this one - not because i think i am wrong, but because i do not want to give OBG and excuse if i beat him.

[Gargantua]

Right and wrong can be seen on either side here, but I’m done pontificating, all I’m advocating for is what I would do.

If it were me, In order to keep my coolness factor.

I’d laugh this off and give it to OBG - because it doesn’t really matter anyways.  And out of honor, over a mistake “I” would have made, I’d let it slide, and play OBG at his best.

[Gargantua]

i will go ahead with the UK with the map you posted OBG

LOOK WHO’S COOLNESS FACTOR JUST WENT THROUGH THE ROOF!!!

[gamerman01]

@Gargantua:

When do I get to play you and kick your a**?

As soon as you can download TripleA - Which I am certain you are going to prefer over battlemap within a week.

I honestly don’t have the time to type all the moves etc.  Turns in TripleA I can crank out in minutes - as opposed to Abattlemap in hours.

I can set you up with the link for download/install,  to make it a two or three click solution.  A Battlemap is actually much more difficult to confirm versions, install new maps, etc.

Also,

This has nothing to do with playing devils advocate, but everything to do with player conduct and honor.

OK, send me the links and I guess I’ll try Triple freaking A again.

Conduct and honor?  Please.  If you’re trying to be a champion for player conduct and honor you’re arguing on the wrong side.  OBG tries to change moves after rolling a bunch of dice and then won’t let his opponent clarify a map/typing discrepancy but clarifies it the way he wants?  Remind me to never play OBG.

[Guest]

@Gamerman01:

Conduct and honor? � Please. � If you’re trying to be a champion for player conduct and honor you’re arguing on the wrong side. � OBG tries to change moves after rolling a bunch of dice and then won’t let his opponent clarify a map/typing discrepancy but clarifies it the way he wants? � Remind me to never play OBG.

No worries there…I tend to stay away from arrogance.

[Guest]

@Boldfresh:

if we wait for a moderator answer and the answer is in my favor, OBG can later complain about it and feel badly about me as an opponent. � thus, i am willing to continue with euk open and give up the russian NO, the very thing i wanted to avoid and that OBG is hoping to exploit.

obg, i choose to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not deliberately trying to screw me by acting like you think this it is a double standard for me to ask to noncom an infantry to euk, which to me it is clearly not. �

i will go ahead with the UK with the map you posted OBG. �

FOR CLARIFICATION, i mean that only combat moves as typed cannot be changed AFTER DICE ARE THROWN. � noncombat moves CAN be changed if they are not in agreement with the map. � if a player notices that there is a disagreement between noncombat typing and the map, they should ask for clarification. � had i stated this more clearly from the beginning, this issue never would have come up as well.

so, i guess i will eat dirt on this one - not because i think i am wrong, but because i do not want to give OBG and excuse if i beat him.

Forget it. I knew I should have never played again after last year, but I thought after our tournament game, it would work. It is not the first time you have tried to change the way you deal with the game, asking for things differently than what you say goes. Shall we review the PMs you sent me during the tournament once you knew you had lost?

@Boldfresh:

hey OBG, i hope you’ll agree with me that it is not ok that DM just edited the rules for the tourney to be 14 VC’s.  i have given up some victory cities in this game in order to try to draw it out and give the dice a chance to help me out (seems to be working right?)  :lol:

anyway, i think that is fine for the new games in the tourney going forward but not for the games that were already in progress.

if you are cool with just playing this one to 15 VC’s, i would appreciate it.  i’m sure i’m going to get killed in the end anyway but, at least it will be more fun - after all this effort, to hear that it takes one less VC to win is not cool.

since we are well ahead of the pace of most games anyway, it should not be an issue.

thanks

And to review my response with yours again…

@Boldfresh:

@Ol’:

Hey Bold,

I have always believe the tournaments were just like the 2012 league with 14 VC’s as the goal, and have been working that way since the US fleet went around Africa and the Russians left Moscow. When looking at the map, it appears to me your chances are slim in taking a VC by the end of the US turn, which would mean victory for the Axis. The Japanese are on the cusp of taking the US out of Europe. Even if you land troops back in Bst or Pol, then Germans immediately take them out. If you would have asked 4 or 5 turns ago when we were going back and forth, I might could see continuing. However, I am pretty sure I will be able to hold France and protect Italy in sz14. If that is the case, then it has been a good game but it will be an Axis victory.

OBG

I didn’t know it was 14 vc that’s all.  he just stated it in an edit.  the dice have slaughtered me from round one on so its no biggie.  just thought you might be willing to go to 15 since the edit came after the first round started.

So as you can see, it is not the first time you have wanted things differently when it did not turn out your way.

All that being said, maybe you and your uncle can go post this in his rankings and gloat about it over Thanksgiving dinner this year. Don’t bother sending me messages or challenging me to games. I wish you well, but I will no longer continue with this thread. Oh, and please, please, please…both of you stay away from my games and posting in them and I will return the same respect for yours as well.

As far as me trying to pull something dirty, you can ask anyone I have played about myself allowing moves that were missed or mis-typed to go through…I always have…unless it is in a situation where my opponent does not want to return the same courtesy.

[boldfresh]

are you forfeiting?

[boldfresh]

@Ol’:

@Boldfresh:

if we wait for a moderator answer and the answer is in my favor, OBG can later complain about it and feel badly about me as an opponent. � thus, i am willing to continue with euk open and give up the russian NO, the very thing i wanted to avoid and that OBG is hoping to exploit.

obg, i choose to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not deliberately trying to screw me by acting like you think this it is a double standard for me to ask to noncom an infantry to euk, which to me it is clearly not. �Â

i will go ahead with the UK with the map you posted OBG. �Â

FOR CLARIFICATION, i mean that only combat moves as typed cannot be changed AFTER DICE ARE THROWN. � noncombat moves CAN be changed if they are not in agreement with the map. � if a player notices that there is a disagreement between noncombat typing and the map, they should ask for clarification. � had i stated this more clearly from the beginning, this issue never would have come up as well.

so, i guess i will eat dirt on this one - not because i think i am wrong, but because i do not want to give OBG and excuse if i beat him.

Forget it. I knew I should have never played again after last year, but I thought after our tournament game, it would work. It is not the first time you have tried to change the way you deal with the game, asking for things differently than what you say goes. Shall we review the PMs you sent me during the tournament once you knew you had lost?

@Boldfresh:

hey OBG, i hope you’ll agree with me that it is not ok that DM just edited the rules for the tourney to be 14 VC’s.  i have given up some victory cities in this game in order to try to draw it out and give the dice a chance to help me out (seems to be working right?)  :lol:

anyway, i think that is fine for the new games in the tourney going forward but not for the games that were already in progress.Â

if you are cool with just playing this one to 15 VC’s, i would appreciate it.  i’m sure i’m going to get killed in the end anyway but, at least it will be more fun - after all this effort, to hear that it takes one less VC to win is not cool.

since we are well ahead of the pace of most games anyway, it should not be an issue.

thanks

And to review my response with yours again…

@Boldfresh:

@Ol’:

Hey Bold,

I have always believe the tournaments were just like the 2012 league with 14 VC’s as the goal, and have been working that way since the US fleet went around Africa and the Russians left Moscow. When looking at the map, it appears to me your chances are slim in taking a VC by the end of the US turn, which would mean victory for the Axis. The Japanese are on the cusp of taking the US out of Europe. Even if you land troops back in Bst or Pol, then Germans immediately take them out. If you would have asked 4 or 5 turns ago when we were going back and forth, I might could see continuing. However, I am pretty sure I will be able to hold France and protect Italy in sz14. If that is the case, then it has been a good game but it will be an Axis victory.

OBG

I didn’t know it was 14 vc that’s all.  he just stated it in an edit.  the dice have slaughtered me from round one on so its no biggie.  just thought you might be willing to go to 15 since the edit came after the first round started.Â

So as you can see, it is not the first time you have wanted things differently when it did not turn out your way.

All that being said, maybe you and your uncle can go post this in his rankings and gloat about it over Thanksgiving dinner this year. Don’t bother sending me messages or challenging me to games. I wish you well, but I will no longer continue with this thread. Oh, and please, please, please…both of you stay away from my games and posting in them and I will return the same respect for yours as well.

As far as me trying to pull something dirty, you can ask anyone I have played about myself allowing moves that were missed or mis-typed to go through…I always have…unless it is in a situation where my opponent does not want to return the same courtesy.

no problem with you posting my pm’s.  i simply asked if you’d be willing to play to 15 VC’s since it wasn’t originally posted in the tourney rules.  you declined and i conceded the game.  i fail to see how that is me being a poor sport in any way.

again, i have asked you to reconsider your thoughts on this circumstance and when you refused, i have been willing to give you your way and continue.  i would have been willing to return the same courtesy to you.  as i suspected, you are equating the desire to add more units into combat in bst to the circumstance that just happened.  reasonable minds can disagree and i was willing to step up and allow what you were wanting, even though i am certain they are completely different circumstances.

and now are you forfeiting?

[Gargantua]

are you forfeiting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JaVCG4jRn0&feature=relmfu

1:40 on, to be played - whilst we wait in deliberation for this epic decision to be made.  May the battle continue!

[gamerman01]

?
Wow

Never even played you or talked to you before OBG.  Just disagreed with your handling of this situation, and you go crazy on me and start making several snide remarks.  Real mature of you.

And what’s with posting people’s PM’s without their permission?  Do you know what PM stands for?

[Gargantua]

Do you know what PM stands for?

PUBLIC MEGA-BROADCAST

[gamerman01]

:-D

and enjoying the epic warcraft2 soundtrack now….

[Gargantua]

You know, I never really appreciated how awesome the whole soundtrack was, until I just recently started playing it in the background whilst planning my moves.  It really is/was epic - especially considering they were done as .Midi files, pre .MP3.

Impressive works of art.

[boldfresh]

i don’t have a problem accepting the win, but i still wish you would continue since i have agreed to giving you what you wanted, willing to forgo a moderator ruling, and thought the issue was settled.

i fail to see how this was not handled in a civil manner and i fail to understand why we are not still playing this game. Â

obviously you were upset that i did not let you add units into combat AFTER dice were in the air.  why did you not state this?  i may have been willing to let you start over from the beginning but i NEVER allow more units to be added into combat after dice are in the air.  instead you laid in wait to pounce on me for some discrepancy in the combat typing, and in my opinion you picked a bad time to do it, since the situation was entirely and completely different.  however, EVEN THEN, i accepted your ruling even though i strongly disagreed with it, in order to continue the game and play you at your best.

and you call me a poor sport?  OBG, i’m sorry, but i just don’t think you are seeing this one too clearly.

regardless, if you do wish to forfeit, i am very disappointed in your sportsmanship and i too would not desire to play any further games with you.  we can all get a little hot under the collar sometimes, but cooler heads should prevail.

best,

Bold