Read the thread, our Vital oil interests have one answer, screw Oil. We need to invest in Alternative Energy.
I’m all in favor of alternative energy and conservation, but the problem is the amount of cost and time it would take to implement it on a nation-wide. Also, if these difficulties could be overcome, you still have to deal with the American people. Remember in April 1977, Carter called for legislation to improve energy conservation, especially by curtailing the manufacture of large, gas-guzzling automobiles. However, these proposals met a firestorm of controversy by the people. Of course you can always so into drilling into ANWAR. Expert predicts that the wealth of oil in there that can easily supply all of America’s oil needs (regularly imported from the Middle East) for the next 20-25 years.
Ha, broke 600 post. 400 more to go. :smile:
Actually TG, those were just the early estimates. There was actually less oil in ANWAR (btw if the rest of you don’t know, thats the Alaska site) than we thought. Currently, we are using 63% of foreign oil. ANWAR would cut it down to 61%.
Big costs? Imaging the cost when we run out of oil, or Saudi Arabia refuses to sell us any. If the American people refuse to change, you create laws to make them.
quote: If the American people refuse to change, you create laws to make them. - Yanny
and then the American people all get a chance to use the guns that they own when the gov’t/American army tries to enforce these laws. hooray.
let me rephrase that, change for the better.
Thanks for the input Yanny. :smile: I’ll try to change this information due to out datedness; do you know where your source is located?
Also, you can makes laws for the better, but even then that doesn’t mean the people will follow them. Remember prohibition anyone? The government should play a larger role in alternative energy development, but you can’t make people switch to something Greek overnight. Conservation is also another problem. At my school, the majority of the people are too lazy or too stupid (maybe both) to care about picking up trash and soda bottles after themselves to be deposited in the trash or recycle bins.
“Only the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.” - Aldolf Galland
“The crate? The crate matters not. It is the man who pilots the create that truely counts.”
[ This Message was edited by: TG Moses VI on 2002-05-20 16:35 ]
Then teach people not to be lazy, not to liter, ect. The Goverment puts more money into covering up their Oil “deals” with Saddam Hussein than research for Alternative Energy.
I remember hearing it on MSNBC about a month back. No written source, I don’t really check news websites.
To do this would require America to turn somewhat away from capitalistic notions. We must learn to take less than what we need and not to deplete the environment’s resources. Again, I use the China example. How can 1.3 billion Chinese dispose less waste than 300 million US citizens?
Now Yanny, how do you propose to people not to be lazy or to liter? Would you promote education, rewards, or punishment? You have to reach mass nationalization – a few people looking after themselves cannot make a difference no matter how much you try. We’ve tried everything, but nothing seems to work. I’m interested in learning about how you would go about this problem.
quote: Now Yanny, how do you propose to people not to be lazy or to liter? Would you promote education, rewards, or punishment - Moses
by the way - The City of Winnipeg debated a fee for more than 2 garbage bags/household/week. Naturally the people didn’t go for this, and our populist mayor caved.
Haha. Sounds very Americanish of your people in Winnipeg. In California we had this who fiasco with electrical power deregulation and skyrocketing prices – we do not expect our governor to be elected for his next term.
“Hey guys let’s fight an overseas war to make the world safe for cheap oil, instead of conserving what we already have!” :smile:
Oh yeah, lets use 2 million gallons of oil a day to fight some nation I don’t care about!
The Goverment has to educate both the Young and Old about alternative Energy. We’re going to have an energy crisis 10x worse than the 1970s one if this issue continues to Snowball.
The energy crisis you talked about is inevitable. Let’s just hope that we have able-bodied Leaders when the time comes to appropriately do something about it. Also, education must start now while we still have the time, if at that time in the future when things have already gotten out of hand it would’ve already been too late.
A likely candidate that I see in the next 20-25 years to replace the majority of our power generates that still run on oil and coal is the use of Nuclear fusion along with resurgence in Nuclear fission. Done right with adequate safeguards and those who won’t cut corners, hopefully we’ll never have an incident like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island.
BTW Yanny, didn’t quite get your 2 billion gallons of oil a day comment. Can you explain the story behind it?
2 million, we fought Iraq over oil, and used millions and millions of gallons of oil every day to do it.
True, the M1 tanks we used in Desert Storm were huge gas consumers, not to mention the jet fuel our jet fighters required. But didn’t Saudi Arabia or/and Iran end up picking up the tab? I’m pretty sure one of those countries called for US foreign aid since Iran or Arabia would be the next likely target for the would-be victorious Iraqis in Kuwait.
“Only the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.” - Aldolf Galland
“The crate? The crate matters not. It is the man who pilots the create that truely counts.”
[ This Message was edited by: TG Moses VI on 2002-05-22 22:59 ]
Saudi Arabia was threatening to deny oil to us and ally with Iraq if we didnt come to their aid.
Saudi Arabia was threatening to deny oil to us and ally with Iraq if we didnt come to their aid.
I’m not questioning if your above statement is true (certainly this wouldn’t be the first time, right?). What I would like to know if the Arab countries did indeed pay for the Desert Storm operation or at least a part of it. I hope that the whole cost was not passed onto American taxpayers.
No, they didn’t pay directly. They offered oil for protection.
Do you know how much oil was offered for protection? Would this be enough to cover the 2 million barrels of oil used each day ofthe campaign?
Still classified last time I checked.
