12L LL v JWW +8, -tech, +NO, Game 2

[666]

Yes I understand now. It does make sense. If I had failed to roll a dice I would simply roll +1 extra to catch up and since I rolled 1 extra over 2 rd’s you are arguing that 2 dice should be eliminated & you specify which dice IYO should be discarded. Either the last two, reading left to right, in rd 3 or last dice in rd 2 & 3.

So basically you are saying that if I had hit on the die you consider “1st” in either round 2 or 3 then I should get credit for the “hit”? I am not sure how other players would react to this concept? hmmm….Isn’t the last dice shown on the right, reading left to right, the first dice rolled.  :-D, why not? anyways.

The way I have, and others have, resolved this is to not assume which dice was the good or bad dice but to reroll. You correctly point out where this could be problematic in certain situations but this is how I have been resolving these issues here for the last 5+ years and pretty much without incident. I am sure others have used differing/agreeable methods but to answer an earlier question of yours there isn’t a standard, to my knowledge. Perhaps we should incorporate a standard? Would you be willing to draft a resolution that we/you can present to Darth M and the community?

W/respect to this game I don’t care how you decide to resolve it. I trust your good intentions.  JWW

[LuckyLindy]

Yes, the point I am making is that one of the three dice you rolled for fighters in the third round hit, so in this case, I say we roll a dice where you have a 1/3 chance of hitting.  If you roll 2 or less you get credit for the hit.

I would be happy to put together a proposal so there can be a standard resolution to dice that does not resort to rerolling, but only in the case where too many or too few dice are rolled).  Rerolling, for the reason I said before, does not seem necessary for a simple error of too many or too few dices of a certain unit being rolled.  I think there are probably certain reasons that dice may have to be rerolled, one I can think of now is if an aircraft or several were rolled for, but it was not actually able to fly far enough to be in the battle and land properly.  In this case, If the player rolling gets a lot of hits on attack, they should not be allowed to just remove their illegal aircraft from the roll because who knows if they really would have gone into the battle with less aircraft?  This would very much be true if it was a close battle by the odds before it began.

So, to complete the battle in BST, if you roll a 1 or 2 here the map will stand as you posted it.  If you roll a 3,4,5, or 6, you have the option to continue the battle if you wish.

And the dice gods say…

Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)

[LuckyLindy]

The battle stands as you said and the map is correct.

I will see if I can get to this game today, but first I have to do a tournament move against DD.

Cheers

[666]

I think the creation of a sound rule proposal for the resolution of dice “issues” is a great idea. I am not a “math” guy so if you are inclined to put this rule proposal together I will co-sponsor it and we can present it to DM and perhaps get it included in the rules/by laws. Anything that makes it easier for the league to run without to many rulings made or oversight of MODs is a plus as far as I am concerned. If you aren’t interested in putting this together no worries, I understand. I think there are plenty of math guys who might run with the concept you proposed. Let me know.

[LuckyLindy]

Italy turn 5

Purchase

12 IPC

4 infantry

Combat Moves

PER (empty) v infantry (EGY)
EPL (infantry) v infantry (POL), tank (GER)
NWE (2 infantry) v infantry (FRA), tank (GER)

dice…

EPL
A - infantry, tank
Rolls: 1@1 1@3; Total Hits: 11@1: (2)1@3: (2)
D - infantry
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (4)

[LuckyLindy]

EPL taken with infantry, tank

NWE
A - infantry, tank
Rolls: 1@1 1@3; Total Hits: 11@1: (2)1@3: (1)
D - 2 infantry
Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 12@2: (4, 1)

[LuckyLindy]

retreat tank to GER

Noncombat Moves

3 infantry from ITA to FRA
2 cruisers, battleship from Z30 to Z34
2 tanks from GER to ITA
fighter from CNG to SUD

Mobilize

4 infantry in ITA

Income

13 + 5 NO = 18

LL vs. JWW 5eI.AAM

[666]

USA/China

China gets an INF
USA purchase CV, fgt, ss, trn, 3inf & art spend 50 (save 0)

China combat
#1 HUP (inf) v 4inf (sik & nin)

USA combat
#1 GER SBR v 2 bmb (gbr & cau)
#2 CAR (mt) v inf (MID) cwol
#3 EGY (mt) v inf (lib) cwol

[666]

china attackRolls: 4@1; Total Hits: 14@1: (1, 2, 6, 6)v infRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (5)

[666]

hup twol

USA

GER sbrRolling 2:
(2, 6)

[666]

GER IC damage 8 + 6 = 14

ncm:
alg inf, arm > lib
alg fgt & 1 z12 fgt > bul
ger bmb’s > bul
z56 fgt > z12
z27 dd > z 24
z42 ss > z 40
eca 3inf, aa & art > alg
eca inf > z12
eus 5inf & art > eca
z56 dd, trn & wus inf > z 45
z56 dd > z 51
z56 ss > z 58

placement chi inf > sik
placement usa ss & fgt z56, cv & trn z10, 3inf & art eus

usa collects 50

LL vs. JWW 5fA.AAM

[666]

where you at LL

[LuckyLindy]

JWW, I am sorry, I have been so busy I haven’t had the time to devote to my games.  I just finally had a chance to make a tournament move and it led to my concession to Dutchman.

I will see if I can make a move here soon, possibly Sunday night if not before?

Cheers

[666]

Hey I noticed you’ve had some hard luck lately and perhaps after your 2011 run people aren’t taking you for granted and giving it their all. Don’t get discouraged. Things will turn around.

Have a good weekend.

[666]

dude, I’ve got to give you another bump……13 days, hope to hear from your soon.

[LuckyLindy]

Germany turn 6

Purchase

39 IPC

8 repair in GER
9 infantry
artillery

Combat Moves

KAR (empty) v tank (POL)
UKR (3 infantry) v 2 tanks, 3 fighters (POL)
EGY (infantry) v tank (SUD), bomber (FRA)
NWE (infantry) v 3 infantry (FRA)

dice…

UKR
A - 2 tanks, 3 fighters
Rolls: 5@3; Total Hits: 45@3: (3, 1, 4, 2, 3)
D - 3 infantry
Rolls: 3@2; Total Hits: 13@2: (4, 2, 4)

[LuckyLindy]

UKR taken with tank, 3 fighters

NWE
A - 3 infantry
Rolls: 3@1; Total Hits: 23@1: (1, 1, 6)
D - infantry
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

[LuckyLindy]

NWE taken with 3 infantry

EGY
A - tank, bomber
Rolls: 1@3 1@4; Total Hits: 21@3: (1)1@4: (4)
D - infantry
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

[666]

glad to see you LL

[LuckyLindy]

EGY taken with tank, bomber

Noncombat Moves

bomber from EGY to EAF
3 fighters from UKR to EPL
31 infantry, 2 artillery, 2 tanks, AA gun from POL to EPL
infantry from GER to CZE
infantry from GER to BLK
6 infantry, AA gun from FRA to GER

Mobilize

6 infantry in FRA
3 infantry, artillery in GER

Income

36 + 10 NO = 46

I just could not decide what to do for the longest time here.  In the end, I hope I made the right choice.

Cheers

LL vs. JWW 6aG.AAM