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12L AA50-41 djensen (Axis) vs. Ol' Blood&Guts (Allies +8)
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Update your Java runtime maybe?
@Ol’:
Nice move with the blackout yesterday. Hopefully the knuckleheads in DC listen.
Out of curiosity, do you know how to get rid of these java errors I keep getting every turn? I am still able to post, it is just annoying I guess. I have WIndows 7 with IE9
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Ok, I just did the same thing you did earlier and forgot to unload 2inf into Baltic States. I am gonna roll for the m here, but your guys got 4 hits to kill my 3 inf and arm from the other 2 trn.
Bst
2inf
Rolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (3, 6)I do not think I can choose the inf as casualties though instead of the armor.
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Game History
Round :2
Purchase Units - British
British buy 4 armour, 1 factory and 4 infantry; 7 PUs remainingCombat Move - British
1 infantry moved from Norway to 6 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from United Kingdom to 6 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 7 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 7 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 7 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
3 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Baltic States
1 armour moved from 5 Sea Zone to Baltic States
1 cruiser moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to Baltic States
1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to Baltic States
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Baltic States
1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Baltic States
1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to EgyptCombat - British
Battle in Egypt
British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry
Italians defend with 2 infantry
British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Egypt, round 1 : 1/7 hits
Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Egypt, round 1 : 0/2 hits
1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Egypt
British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 0/7 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 0/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Egypt, round 3 : 2/7 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Egypt, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Egypt
British win, taking Egypt from Italians with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
Battle in Baltic States
British attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry
Germans defend with 5 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Baltic States, round 1 : 1/2 hits
British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 1 : 5/8 hits
Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 1 : 4/7 hits
3 infantry owned by the British , 1 armour owned by the British , 1 infantry owned by the Germans , 4 armour owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
British roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/4 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
British win with 1 bomber and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
Casualties for Germans: 5 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 armour and 3 infantryNon Combat Move - British
1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
2 fighters moved from Baltic States to 5 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
1 transport moved from 2 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Eastern Canada to 1 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Eastern Canada to 1 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 1 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 8 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 armour moved from 8 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 45 Sea Zone to 56 Sea ZonePlace Units - British
1 factory placed in Norway
4 armour and 4 infantry placed in United KingdomTurn Complete - British
British collect 32 PUs; end with 39 PUs totalTerritory Summary for British :
Belorussia : 1 bomber and 1 fighter
Egypt : 1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry
India : 1 infantry
Norway : 1 flag, 1 factory
Persia : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Rhodesia : 2 infantry
United Kingdom : 1 aaGun, 5 armour, 1 factory and 6 infantry
5 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 transports
8 Sea Zone : 1 transport
45 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
56 Sea Zone : 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transportProduction/PUs Summary :
Germans : 29 / 43
Russians : 30 / 35
Japanese : 38 / 53
British : 32 / 39
Italians : 10 / 19
Chinese : 1 / 0
Americans : 38 / 54A&A Forum : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26175.36#msg909686
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I looked for an edit button but did not see one at all. Can you put the 2inf from sz5 into Bst and the troops from Persia into Cau? I had made the move originally, but in my trying to undo things and then edit them, I forgot to place them back.
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@Ol’:
I looked for an edit button but did not see one at all. Can you put the 2inf from sz5 into Bst and the troops from Persia into Cau? I had made the move originally, but in my trying to undo things and then edit them, I forgot to place them back.
If not, no big deal
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Sure, I’ll take care of it.
For future reference, in the menu, choose “Game” and then “Enable Edit Mode.”
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Game History
Round :2
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 armour and 1 carrier; 0 PUs remainingCombat Move - Italians
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from 5 Sea Zone: 4 infantry and 2 transports
EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to 5 Sea Zone: 2 transports
EDIT: Changing ownership of Baltic States from Germans to British
EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Baltic States: 2 infantry
EDIT: Changing PUs for British from 39 to 40
EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Caucasus: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Persia: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeNon Combat Move - Italians
1 infantry moved from Balkans to Bulgaria Romania
1 fighter moved from East Poland to 14 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 transport moved from 16 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Italy to 14 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 14 Sea Zone to Libya
1 infantry moved from Italy to BalkansPlace Units - Italians
1 armour placed in Italy
1 carrier placed in 14 Sea ZoneTurn Complete - Italians
Italians collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUsTerritory Summary for Italians :
Balkans : 1 infantry
Italy : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory and 1 infantry
Libya : 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Bulgaria Romania : 1 infantry
14 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 fighter and 1 transportProduction/PUs Summary :
Germans : 28 / 43
Russians : 30 / 35
Japanese : 38 / 53
British : 33 / 40
Italians : 10 / 15
Chinese : 1 / 0
Americans : 38 / 54A&A Forum : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26175.40#msg909636
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Changed the ownership of Baltic States to Russia.
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Also, I removed the 5 PUs from Russia because of the UK troops in their territories so there is no National Objective….or at least I think I did :-D
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@Ol’:
Also, I removed the 5 PUs from Russia because of the UK troops in their territories so there is no National Objective….or at least I think I did :-D
That shouldn’t happen until the Soviet Union’s turn. The way I left the map for I6 should be correct.
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Yeah, I am dangerous when I start playing around with things on little sleep. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Game History
Round :2
Turn Complete - Chinese
Territory Summary for Chinese :
Chinghai : 1 infantry
Production/PUs Summary :
Germans : 28 / 43
Russians : 30 / 35
Japanese : 38 / 53
British : 33 / 40
Italians : 10 / 15
Chinese : 1 / 0
Americans : 38 / 1A&A Forum : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26175.45#msg910197
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Game History
Round :2
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 38 PUs; end with 39 PUs total
Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 44 PUs
Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUsTerritory Summary for Americans :
Eastern Canada : 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 4 infantry
Eastern United States : 1 armour and 1 factory
Hawaiian Islands : 1 infantry
Midway : 1 infantry
United Kingdom : 1 bomber
Wake Island : 1 infantry
Western Canada : 1 aaGun
Western United States : 1 factory
1 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 2 transports
10 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 2 transports
56 Sea Zone : 2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 4 fightersProduction/PUs Summary :
Germans : 28 / 43
Russians : 30 / 35
Japanese : 38 / 53
British : 33 / 40
Italians : 10 / 15
Chinese : 1 / 0
Americans : 38 / 49A&A Forum : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26175.46#msg910207
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I do not understand why it does not post the complete turn for the US/China. I do the same thing as I do with Russia and the UK and their turns are posted completely.
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It’s a bug to be fixed in the next version.
@Ol’:
I do not understand why it does not post the complete turn for the US/China. I do the same thing as I do with Russia and the UK and their turns are posted completely.
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Game History
Round :3
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans repair 4 damage on 4 factories; 39 PUs remaining
Germans buy 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry; 0 PUs remainingCombat Move - Germans
1 infantry moved from Libya to 14 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Anglo-Egypt Sudan to Belgian Congo
Germans take Belgian Congo from British
1 armour moved from Belgian Congo to Rhodesia
1 armour moved from Anglo-Egypt Sudan to Italian Africa
Germans take Italian Africa from British
1 armour moved from Italian Africa to Rhodesia
2 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
1 fighter moved from Germany to Baltic States
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 14 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 12 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
Germans take Gibraltar from BritishCombat - Germans
Battle in Rhodesia
Germans attack with 2 armour
British defend with 2 infantry
Germans roll dice for 2 armour in Rhodesia, round 1 : 1/2 hits
British roll dice for 2 infantry in Rhodesia, round 1 : 1/2 hits
1 infantry owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Rhodesia
Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Rhodesia, round 2 : 1/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 infantry in Rhodesia, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the British lost in Rhodesia
Germans win, taking Rhodesia from British with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
Casualties for British: 2 infantry
Battle in Baltic States
Germans attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
British defend with 2 infantry
Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 1 : 2/3 hits
British roll dice for 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 1 : 1/2 hits
2 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
Germans win, taking Baltic States from British with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 2 infantryNon Combat Move - Germans
1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany
4 armour and 5 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
1 artillery moved from France to Germany
1 artillery moved from Morocco Algeria to LibyaPlace Units - Germans
2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry placed in GermanyTurn Complete - Germans
Germans collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs total
Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUsTerritory Summary for Germans :
Anglo-Egypt Sudan : 1 flag, Baltic States : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Belgian Congo : 1 flag, East Poland : 1 flag, Germany : 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 5 infantry
Gibraltar : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Italian Africa : 1 flag, Libya : 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Poland : 4 armour and 5 infantry
Rhodesia : 1 flag, 1 armour
12 Sea Zone : 1 transportProduction/PUs Summary :
Germans : 32 / 37
Russians : 30 / 35
Japanese : 38 / 53
British : 29 / 40
Italians : 10 / 15
Chinese : 1 / 0
Americans : 38 / 49A&A Forum : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26175.49#msg910045
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It’s a bug to be fixed in the next version.
@Ol’:
I do not understand why it does not post the complete turn for the US/China. I do the same thing as I do with Russia and the UK and their turns are posted completely.
Do they post updates on here or do we have to keep an eye on their site?
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Game History
Round :3
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry; 0 PUs remainingCombat Move - Russians
1 armour moved from Belorussia to East Poland
Russians take East Poland from Germans
1 armour moved from East Poland to Baltic States
1 artillery moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Baltic States
1 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Baltic States
1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Baltic States
1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Baltic States
1 armour moved from Ukraine to Bulgaria Romania
1 armour moved from Ukraine to Bulgaria Romania
1 artillery moved from Ukraine to Bulgaria Romania
1 armour moved from Ukraine to Bulgaria Romania
1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bulgaria Romania
1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bulgaria Romania
1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bulgaria Romania
2 armour moved from Russia to Baltic States
1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 12 Sea ZoneCombat - Russians
Battle in 12 Sea Zone
Russians attack with 1 submarine
Germans defend with 1 transport
1 transport owned by the Germans lost in 12 Sea Zone
Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 12 Sea Zone, round 1 : 1/1 hits
Russians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
Battle in Bulgaria Romania
Russians attack with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Italians defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Bulgaria Romania, round 1 : 2/7 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria Romania, round 1 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Bulgaria Romania
Russians win, taking Bulgaria Romania from Germans with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
Battle in Baltic States
Russians attack with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 1 : 1/7 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 1 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
Russians win, taking Baltic States from Germans with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantryNon Combat Move - Russians
1 infantry moved from Eastern Ukraine to East Poland
2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
1 artillery moved from Eastern Ukraine to Ukraine
2 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Chinghai
6 infantry moved from Stanovoj Chrebet to Yakut S.S.R.
1 infantry moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.
1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia S.S.R.Place Units - Russians
1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
2 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Caucasus
1 armour and 2 infantry placed in RussiaTurn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs total
Russians met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 44 PUsTerritory Summary for Russians :
Baltic States : 3 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Caucasus : 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory and 1 infantry
Chinghai : 2 infantry
East Poland : 1 infantry
Finland : 1 flag, Karelia S.S.R. : 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 1 factory and 4 infantry
Kazakh S.S.R. : 1 infantry
Bulgaria Romania : 1 flag, 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Russia : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 factory and 2 infantry
Ukraine : 3 artilleries and 2 infantry
Yakut S.S.R. : 6 infantry
12 Sea Zone : 1 submarineProduction/PUs Summary :
Germans : 28 / 37
Russians : 34 / 44
Japanese : 38 / 53
British : 29 / 40
Italians : 10 / 15
Chinese : 1 / 0
Americans : 38 / 49A&A Forum : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26175.51#msg910360
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@Ol’:
It’s a bug to be fixed in the next version.
@Ol’:
I do not understand why it does not post the complete turn for the US/China. I do the same thing as I do with Russia and the UK and their turns are posted completely.
Do they post updates on here or do we have to keep an eye on their site?
I should ask them to post updates here.
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Game History
Round :3
Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 transport; 0 PUs remainingCombat Move - Japanese
1 infantry moved from Ningxia to Chinghai
2 infantry moved from Sikang to Chinghai
1 bomber moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Chinghai
1 fighter moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Chinghai
1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buryatia S.S.R.
Japanese take Buryatia S.S.R. from Russians
2 infantry moved from Burma to India
1 armour moved from Burma to India
2 infantry moved from Australia to 39 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to India
1 infantry moved from Australia to 39 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 48 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 48 Sea Zone to New Guinea
Japanese take New Guinea from BritishCombat - Japanese
Battle in Chinghai
Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
Russians defend with 2 infantry; Chinese defend with 1 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Chinghai, round 1 : 3/5 hits
Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Chinghai, round 1 : 2/3 hits
2 infantry owned by the Russians , 2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chinghai
Japanese win, taking Chinghai from Chinese with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Battle in India
Japanese attack with 1 armour and 4 infantry
British defend with 1 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 1 armour and 4 infantry in India, round 1 : 0/5 hits
British roll dice for 1 infantry in India, round 1 : 0/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 armour and 4 infantry in India, round 2 : 2/5 hits
British roll dice for 1 infantry in India, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the British lost in India
Japanese win, taking India from British with 1 armour and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for British: 1 infantryNon Combat Move - Japanese
1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
1 armour moved from Kwangtung to Burma
1 fighter moved from Chinghai to Sikang
1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 39 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 62 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 62 Sea Zone to Manchuria
1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Suiyuan
1 bomber moved from Chinghai to Burma
1 transport moved from 61 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Philippine Islands to 50 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 50 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo-China Thailand
1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 39 Sea Zone to 48 Sea Zone
1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 50 Sea Zone to 48 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 50 Sea Zone to 48 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to 62 Sea ZonePlace Units - Japanese
1 carrier and 1 fighter placed in 62 Sea Zone
1 transport placed in 38 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in East Indies
1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in JapanTurn Complete - Japanese
Japanese collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs total
Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs
Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs
Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUsTerritory Summary for Japanese :
Australia : 1 flag, 1 aaGun
Borneo : 1 flag, Burma : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
Buryatia S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Chinghai : 1 flag, 1 infantry
East Indies : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 1 factory and 2 infantry
French Indo-China Thailand : 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Fukien : 1 flag, Hupeh : 1 flag, India : 1 flag, 1 armour and 4 infantry
Iwo Jima : 1 infantry
Japan : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory and 2 infantry
Kwangtung : 1 flag, Manchuria : 1 artillery and 1 infantry
New Guinea : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Ningxia : 1 flag, Philippine Islands : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Sikang : 1 flag, 1 fighter
Suiyuan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Yunnan : 1 flag, 35 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 1 transport
36 Sea Zone : 1 transport
38 Sea Zone : 1 transport
48 Sea Zone : 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 4 fighters and 1 transport
62 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transportProduction/PUs Summary :
Germans : 28 / 37
Russians : 33 / 44
Japanese : 44 / 59
British : 25 / 40
Italians : 10 / 15
Chinese : 0 / 0
Americans : 38 / 49A&A Forum : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26175.53#msg910360





