12L 41 Tyzoq (Axis) v Boldfresh (Allies+6) -Tech

[boldfresh]

UK15 - with 36 buys 5 inf, 2 ftr, save 1

CM

z14 (2 sub, trn, des, acc, 2 cru, bat) - sub (z13), 3 ftr (z7), 4 ftr (rus), bom (alg)
pol () - inf (bst)
rho (arm) - arm (cng) blitz eaf
bel (inf) - 2 inf, art (rus)
gib () - 2 inf (gbr)

combat:

z14 - will your subs fight or submerge?

[boldfresh]

Waiting on orders for your subs.

[Tyzoq]

Subs will fight

[boldfresh]

z14 italian subs opening fire - 2 sneak attacks
Rolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (3, 5)

[boldfresh]

z14 - sub, 7 ftr, bom vs. des, acc, 2 cru, bat
Rolls: 1@2 7@3 1@4; Total Hits: 71@2: (1)7@3: (5, 3, 2, 2, 4, 2, 3)1@4: (4)

[boldfresh]

casualty choice?

[boldfresh]

actually i just realized there is no casualty choice, you have one sub remaining

z14 defense - destroyer, acc, 2 cru, bat
Rolls: 2@2 2@3 1@4; Total Hits: 32@2: (4, 2)2@3: (1, 4)1@4: (1)

[boldfresh]

bloody battle all around

i believe the transport is sunk even though you have a sub remaining, since you have no surface ships to defend against my air.  my sub will press the attack in round 2. will your sub submerge or fight?

[boldfresh]

i will lose 3 ftr in round 1.

[boldfresh]

here’s an interesting question.  COULD I retreat after round 1 to z13 with the sub.  IF i did, would the transport survive? or is it dead in round 1 because all surface defense was eliminated?  things that make you go hmmmm

[boldfresh]

oops what am i thinking, i lose the sub and 2 fighters!  and then the transport is sunk and the battle is over, you have one sub remaining.  guess it was too early for me to fight that battle!  :lol:

[Tyzoq]

@Boldfresh:

here’s an interesting question.  COULD I retreat after round 1 to z13 with the sub.  IF i did, would the transport survive? or is it dead in round 1 because all surface defense was eliminated?  things that make you go hmmmm

If you took 3 Ftr as casualties you could retreat and the Trn would survive by my interpretation of the rules.  If you take 1 Sub 2 Ftr as casualties then I think the battle is over and you cannot retreat and leave the Trn.

[boldfresh]

correct.  check out the errata thread for discussion there.  i always thought the transports technically “took hits” so if there were, say, 10 of them and you attacked with 9 units, you could kill 9 and then retreat if you wished.  not so.

[boldfresh]

let’s finish up this round of combat!

z14 cwlo sub, 2 ftr

bel - 2 inf, art vs. inf
Rolls: 1@1 2@2; Total Hits: 21@1: (1)2@2: (3, 1)
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)

[boldfresh]

bel twol

rho - arm vs. arm
a-
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (5)
d-
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (4)

[boldfresh]

rho2
a-
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (6)
d-
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 11@3: (3)

[boldfresh]

dang, i really wanted that one!

rho holds no loss

NC

lib - 2 inf, 2 art, 2 arm (alg), 5 ftr (z14)
eca - bom (z14)
gib - inf, aa (gbr)
alg - 6 inf (gbr)
z12 - 3 trn, cru, acc, ftr (z6), 2 des, 2 acc (z7)
z4 - ftr (z6)
nov - 23 inf, 3 art, 7 arm (rus), aa (eve)
z60 - cru, 2 acc (z62)

place 5 inf, 2 ftr (gbr)

collect 29, has 30

Tyzoq_v_Boldfresh_42L_15dUK.AAM

[Tyzoq]

@Boldfresh:

correct.  check out the errata thread for discussion there.  i always thought the transports technically “took hits” so if there were, say, 10 of them and you attacked with 9 units, you could kill 9 and then retreat if you wished.  not so.

transports do take hits but only in occasions when a defender is around to shoot back, if there is not anything around that has combat value then you’re right the battle is over and retreating is not an option.

[boldfresh]

what i mean is there is no concept of transports taking X number of hits.  if a single transport is hit, all transports are hit.  in addition, if there were 2 destroyers and 5 transports that were attacked with 3 bombers and the bombers hit exactly twice in the first round, the destroyers AND the transports are ALL sunk.  no ifs ands or buts about it.  according to krieg.

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

what i mean is there is no concept of transports taking X number of hits.  if a single transport is hit, all transports are hit.  in addition, if there were 2 destroyers and 5 transports that were attacked with 3 bombers and the bombers hit exactly twice in the first round, the destroyers AND the transports are ALL sunk.  no ifs ands or buts about it.  according to krieg.

ie, i cannot retreat after one round getting exactly the number of hits that sink the surface ships.  not that you would ever want to, but it cannot be done.