12L 41 Tyzoq (Axis) v Boldfresh (Allies+6) -Tech

[boldfresh]

z14 italian subs opening fire - 2 sneak attacks
Rolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (3, 5)

[boldfresh]

z14 - sub, 7 ftr, bom vs. des, acc, 2 cru, bat
Rolls: 1@2 7@3 1@4; Total Hits: 71@2: (1)7@3: (5, 3, 2, 2, 4, 2, 3)1@4: (4)

[boldfresh]

casualty choice?

[boldfresh]

actually i just realized there is no casualty choice, you have one sub remaining

z14 defense - destroyer, acc, 2 cru, bat
Rolls: 2@2 2@3 1@4; Total Hits: 32@2: (4, 2)2@3: (1, 4)1@4: (1)

[boldfresh]

bloody battle all around

i believe the transport is sunk even though you have a sub remaining, since you have no surface ships to defend against my air.  my sub will press the attack in round 2. will your sub submerge or fight?

[boldfresh]

i will lose 3 ftr in round 1.

[boldfresh]

here’s an interesting question.  COULD I retreat after round 1 to z13 with the sub.  IF i did, would the transport survive? or is it dead in round 1 because all surface defense was eliminated?  things that make you go hmmmm

[boldfresh]

oops what am i thinking, i lose the sub and 2 fighters!  and then the transport is sunk and the battle is over, you have one sub remaining.  guess it was too early for me to fight that battle!  :lol:

[Tyzoq]

@Boldfresh:

here’s an interesting question.  COULD I retreat after round 1 to z13 with the sub.  IF i did, would the transport survive? or is it dead in round 1 because all surface defense was eliminated?  things that make you go hmmmm

If you took 3 Ftr as casualties you could retreat and the Trn would survive by my interpretation of the rules.  If you take 1 Sub 2 Ftr as casualties then I think the battle is over and you cannot retreat and leave the Trn.

[boldfresh]

correct.  check out the errata thread for discussion there.  i always thought the transports technically “took hits” so if there were, say, 10 of them and you attacked with 9 units, you could kill 9 and then retreat if you wished.  not so.

[boldfresh]

let’s finish up this round of combat!

z14 cwlo sub, 2 ftr

bel - 2 inf, art vs. inf
Rolls: 1@1 2@2; Total Hits: 21@1: (1)2@2: (3, 1)
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)

[boldfresh]

bel twol

rho - arm vs. arm
a-
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (5)
d-
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (4)

[boldfresh]

rho2
a-
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (6)
d-
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 11@3: (3)

[boldfresh]

dang, i really wanted that one!

rho holds no loss

NC

lib - 2 inf, 2 art, 2 arm (alg), 5 ftr (z14)
eca - bom (z14)
gib - inf, aa (gbr)
alg - 6 inf (gbr)
z12 - 3 trn, cru, acc, ftr (z6), 2 des, 2 acc (z7)
z4 - ftr (z6)
nov - 23 inf, 3 art, 7 arm (rus), aa (eve)
z60 - cru, 2 acc (z62)

place 5 inf, 2 ftr (gbr)

collect 29, has 30

Tyzoq_v_Boldfresh_42L_15dUK.AAM

[Tyzoq]

@Boldfresh:

correct.  check out the errata thread for discussion there.  i always thought the transports technically “took hits” so if there were, say, 10 of them and you attacked with 9 units, you could kill 9 and then retreat if you wished.  not so.

transports do take hits but only in occasions when a defender is around to shoot back, if there is not anything around that has combat value then you’re right the battle is over and retreating is not an option.

[boldfresh]

what i mean is there is no concept of transports taking X number of hits.  if a single transport is hit, all transports are hit.  in addition, if there were 2 destroyers and 5 transports that were attacked with 3 bombers and the bombers hit exactly twice in the first round, the destroyers AND the transports are ALL sunk.  no ifs ands or buts about it.  according to krieg.

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

what i mean is there is no concept of transports taking X number of hits.  if a single transport is hit, all transports are hit.  in addition, if there were 2 destroyers and 5 transports that were attacked with 3 bombers and the bombers hit exactly twice in the first round, the destroyers AND the transports are ALL sunk.  no ifs ands or buts about it.  according to krieg.

ie, i cannot retreat after one round getting exactly the number of hits that sink the surface ships.  not that you would ever want to, but it cannot be done.

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

@Boldfresh:

what i mean is there is no concept of transports taking X number of hits.  if a single transport is hit, all transports are hit.  in addition, if there were 2 destroyers and 5 transports that were attacked with 3 bombers and the bombers hit exactly twice in the first round, the destroyers AND the transports are ALL sunk.  no ifs ands or buts about it.  according to krieg.

ie, i cannot retreat after one round getting exactly the number of hits that sink the surface ships.  not that you would ever want to, but it cannot be done.

to be more precise i should state, that is if one is attacking with only air.  if there are also ships and the defender still has subs present, the battle can continue if the surface ships are sunk in round 1.

now, this is an interesting fact…  if i had gotten 7 hits with air in round 1, it WOULD have sunk the transport and I could have had the option to lose 3 fighters in round one and retreat the sub to z13.

[Tyzoq]

@Boldfresh:

what i mean is there is no concept of transports taking X number of hits.  if a single transport is hit, all transports are hit.

I can think of 1 exception to this. 1 Heavy bomber vs 1 defender and X Transports.  If you’re playing heavy bombers can get multiple hits then you could kill a transport and be killed in the same round leaving all but 1 transport.

[Tyzoq]

tough loss for the Italians there, I didn’t consider those Moscow Ftr joining the battle.