So start a new Game Thread and France should dial you in .
I will do it. The Thread
???????????? (Axis) vs Corriganhp (Allies)- Alpha3- no tech
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z110 repelled
Yes I should have offered, however you were fine with taking the CV as the causualty which surprised me. I didn’t argue the point so I continued. A turn after the fact was probably not the time to argue about it now that Sealion was a success. If it was failing would you have said something??? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
I will offer you this: allow me to redo the Italian Combat Move again and then we can continue with Russia otherwise we can play on- what do you say???
NCM- on map
Placement- 9inf on Ger, 6mec, 1tnk on WGer
Convoy in z109
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 11@3: (2) -
What was so unfair about losing the carrier?
sour grapes? If I don’t stick up for my right to scramble that you have ignored twice in this game already, you will keep doing this.
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Germany collects- $87
yes that was a tactical mistake by me- I usually leave German aircraft on the AC but for some reason I didn’t. If you would have kept the AC and took a ftr out you could have stopped Sealion in z110 by scrambling- you would have had enough to stop the invasion before it started b/c the Italian ftrs can’t attack like you said. Looks like I made a tactical mistake and you missed a grand opprotunity. Play on???
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What was so unfair about losing the carrier?
sour grapes? If I don’t stick up for my right to scramble that you have ignored twice in this game already, you will keep doing this.
From this point on, how do you want to handle “missed” scrambling by the attacker??? This is the problem with doing scrambling online especailly if one forgets to ask and the roll has been made.
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first, you didn’t have the italian fighters on the cv, they were shot down.
second, you could simply have put some planes above the fleet, and frankly I’m surprised that you didn’t in this sea lion attempt.
sour grapes, no it’s making you play honest.
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ok this is not your first game online.
you ask your opponent if they want to scramble before they proceed.
now you are blaming me for the fact that you didn’t ask me if I wanted to scramble.
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first, you didn’t have the italian fighters on the cv, they were shot down.
second, you could simply have put some planes above the fleet, and frankly I’m surprised that you didn’t in this sea lion attempt.
sour grapes, no it’s making you play honest.
Right on both counts- I’m not denying that- my mistake. Again- how do you handle missed scrambling by the attacker. Different people have different ways of handling this.
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ok this is not your first game online.
you ask your opponent if they want to scramble before they proceed.
now you are blaming me for the fact that you didn’t ask me if I wanted to scramble.
BUT YOU DON’T SAY ANYTHING UNTIL THE ROLLS ARE NOT IN YOUR FAVOR- GET IT??? GEEZ.
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Again how do you want to handle missed scrambling???
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Gotta go for now- think about it.
Choices
A) Play on
B.) Start over
C.) Quit
Choose one
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Do you get the fact that I can’t tell you whether I am going to scramble until I see what you are attacking with?
You decide when you are going to post, not me.
I don’t know how many planes you’ll be flying in 110, and I don’t want to advertise what I would do beforehand.
I am not used to people not asking me for my scramble decision, especially when the exact same thing happened the turn before, so the player should know to ask.I am simply reflecting back a fraction of the attitude that you’re giving me.
In terms of what would be fair, I am not sure yet, I haven’t seen this happen before, believe it or not.
Ask yourself this, you re-rolled the battle in 110 and I didn’t object, but if you had received great rolls, would you really have re-rolled your attack? of course, we can’t know the answer to that question. if you only had hit once, that cv would still be in 110.
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I agree that life is too busy to get drawn into axis and allies arguments; there is barely enough time to play let alone argue about playing.
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if I did scramble, it would be to make you realize that a cv that can’t attack, a bb, and a ca may not be enough protection against 3 scrambling fighters. I lost the cv because I would have assumed that you would fly 1 or 2 planes above 110 in any case.
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here’s a question for you – you say that I could have stopped sea lion if I had let the cv survive, but if I had let it survive you would have taken out 1-3 fighters. If you had reduced my scrambling force to 1 or 2 fighters, then I would have expected you to continue to attack with the bomber in order to take out 1 more fighter or to eliminate the carrier.
And so now I’m down 1-3 fighters from what would have been defending London. Wouldn’t you simply have taken some planes that you didn’t need anymore and fly them over 110? why would I assume that you would have made the exact same attack in that case?
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I’m not sure whether I would have scrambled or not. In a future game, I might scramble and I might have in this one. It depends on whether or not I believe that I can hold London with what I have vs. whether I know that I am going to lose London and what to do as much damage as possible to the German fleet.
I was a bit surprised that you didn’t provide air cover for your fleet. I am used to seeing that invasion with air cover, going in with the boats alone and all planes committed to the land is somewhat risky - even if you have better than 50% odds, it’s a high risk that your transport stack is going to be taken out with nothing to show for it, not even any material damage to London.
So even when it’s less than 50%, it’s worth it because the result is so lopsided to the allies.
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Ask yourself this, you re-rolled the battle in 110 and I didn’t object, but if you had received great rolls, would you really have re-rolled your attack? of course, we can’t know the answer to that question. if you only had hit once, that cv would still be in 110.
Problem is, you can have that same argument if you did or did not like the rolls already laid out- this is one of the problems you run into playing by forum.
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I agree that life is too busy to get drawn into axis and allies arguments; there is barely enough time to play let alone argue about playing.
Agreed, let’s move on.
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if I did scramble, it would be to make you realize that a cv that can’t attack, a bb, and a ca may not be enough protection against 3 scrambling fighters. I lost the cv because I would have assumed that you would fly 1 or 2 planes above 110 in any case.
True but then those same fighters can’t be involved in the assault and of course I would have to declare escorts first. If I declared 2-3 escorts to make sure I could make the invasion, you could easily declare nothing and still gain b/c then I have committed 2-3 escorts to the sea and now won’t have them for the invasion making the amphib very tough now. That is why I was surprised you didn’t see that. You continued on with ANZAC and France and moved on. I shrugged my shoulders and continued to the next turn also. Only when you realized that Sealion was going to suceed did you bring it up again- not really fair either.
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By the time you had finished Italy it was too late for me to ask for the cv back.
yes, you would have to fly escorts for the flight to prevent a naval disaster, and that is actually pretty normal for a sea lion invasion, and yes, I would not have scrambled because you provided the escorts, however if you don’t provide escorts, I need to scramble once in a while to keep you honest.
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I am looking at the odds now, I would have had a 30% chance to knock out the transports and fleet. Given the fact that your odds of sea lion were greater than 70%, actually I probably would have scrambled . . . however, knowing that the aa guns all missed, I am not sure if I would have liked the new outcome in England, at least you lost some planes there.
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