I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
Gavin and All
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Monty used deception perfectly. He staged SO many false attacks preluding his attack to break out of Egypt. He attacked falsly from the sea, air, southern and southeastern flanks. This kept the German tanks guessing where to attack and not backing up the front lines. One of his chief advisors was actually a career Magician.
“History is just a set of lies agreed upon”
- Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte
[ This Message was edited by: Yanny on 2001-12-22 05:54 ]
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I think that monty was I solid general but he wasn’t the type that had all those brilliant strategies like rommel but he got the job done and that’s what matters.
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Rommel himself wasn’t really fooled with Montgomery’s tactics. During the desert war, bad communications hurt the German cause. Rommel’s generals had made desisions in the field outside Rommel’s main objectives. This hurt the overall effort. The main German problem was supply (especially fuel) and replacement troops. Rommel got away with taking what he could from the British when he was winning. This as we all know changed after El Alamein…
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I don’t know if monty could have beat rommel if it wasn’t for rommel’s lack of fuel supplies and fresh troops.
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No, Rommel just wasn’t there :smile:. One thing that always puzzled me, for every single war decided battle Rommel was supposed to lead, he was back in Berlin. The Breakout of the British in Egypt, The defense of Tunisia, D-Day. He even tried to kill Hitler, maybe Rommel was on the allied side.
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Rommel WAS at El Alamein. He knew the war was over after that battle. He fought on professionally, but he knew it was over…
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What I always liked about Rommel was how he knew when the war was over and not fanatacial.
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Montgomery an idiot?!?! Bite your tongue, friend! He was only one of the great generals at the disposal of the British Empire! All i have to say about that is look who ultimately won in north africa! Rommel could not took Tobruk in a timely manner and frequently overstretched his supply lines. Flashy generalship will usually lead to defeat.
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“British Generals and American Troops, the best of both worlds…” - Some movie
I the British weren’t so great at commanding =)
And I didnt think Rommel was there? I could be wrong. Time to hit the books and check.
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Now I think you’re giving Monty bit too much credit.Sure he did beat a depleted Rommel in north Africa but come on he wasn’t the best general in the history of the british empire.
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Hey John,
Perhaps “Idiot” was a little strong. I think Montgomery was overrated. The Allies, Britain in particular, needed heroes during the war. Monty fit the bill perfectly, an eccentric 100% British Leader. I think he received more credit and support than his ability deserved. I know it is the obvious example, but I have to bring up Market-Garden. Also compare Monty and Patton’s reactions at the battle of the bulge. Also isn’t it funny that The Germans monitored Patton’s presence to attempt to determine where the invasion of Western Europe would be?
I’m going to try to get a game together early next month we can discus it further if you like.
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I think the reason everyone doesnt like Monty is because in the movies, and french books <no offense=“” french=“” people,=“” i=“” am=“” french-canadian=“” myself=“”>always put him down. He was a cross of Rommel and Good old Ike. He had the administration skills and the battle skills.
And, in 1940-1942, Monty was all the British had.</no>
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from 1940 to 1942 Montgomery was hardly a major figure in Britan.Monty didn’t really become a household name untill his arrival in north africa.
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When exactly did Monty arrive in North Africa? I forget.
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I don’t know ethir.Have to hit the books
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Aug. 18, 1942
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really, that late? Wow, I thought it was a good year earlier.
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exactly what I thought.I wonder what monty did before that.
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BERNARD LAW MONTGOMERY, (1887-1976), He was born in London on Nov. 17, 1887. After attending St. Paul’s School, London, he graduated from the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst, in 1908 and received a commission as a lieutenant in the infantry. He served in France and Belgium during World War I. Rising in rank to major general, he commanded a division in Palestine and Transjordan in 1938-1939.
At the outbreak of World War II he went to France in command of a division. Having evacuated his men from Dunkirk in 1940, he was given command of the 5th Corps in Britain. In 1941 he was assigned to a key post in the defense against a possible German invasion.
(Source Grolier Online)
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well thats more than I needed to know but thanks.
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