I rarely will send any JAP INF anywhere except the Asian mainland in the first two turns. Then there is ample fodder that allows the JAP air force to run wild. Turning up the heat on RUSSIA is essential. By the third round, JAPAN can start dabbling in the Pacific.
The part about attacking Hawaii sounds all good and all, but the Americans can destroy both battleships and whatever else remains with their air force, Battleship, and transport(as fodder). Then you lose an enormous amount of unit value even if they don’t win. I think that only 3 fighters, the bomber, and the sub should attack, then the odds of winning are high enough (not astronomical) and nothing will remain for the americans to wipe out.
Gentlemen: Where can I find strategy information on axis and allies europe. I believe it is tougher for the germans than the regular game. Also, IN A&A Pacific, how did the allies win?
Gentlemen: Where can I find strategy information on axis and allies europe. I believe it is tougher for the germans than the regular game. Also, IN A&A Pacific, how did the allies win?
Going eastward in the Pacific (to Hawaii, Alaska, or even Australia) has a sentimental appeal, because it is what the Japanese actually did, or tried. But it won’t win you the game. As the others mention, who like me have probably learned the hard way, you have to get on the Asian mainland in force, the sooner the better.
To Chombie: for AAP info, look at http://donsessays.freeservers.com.
If you play ALOT against experienced players like me, your 4 inf 1 fighter purchase would be suicide (no offense)
Japan first turn most always buys 3 trs, then attacks pearl with All fleet within range (including 2 transports) and then moves on to South American on J2, then Brazil J3, puts an IC in Brazil J4, then kicks some ass later in the game and helping Germany. All the time taking out China, India, and Russia.
Your bombers are wasted Strat bombing USA, and if they plan to make a presence on the mainland, Bomb the factory, most times thereisnt an AA gun.
And I still dont see how a 1 fighter buy will help this much, would you accept the math or just take my word for it?
If America attacks you he is a fool and you deserve to woop him. This spells time for Germany to kill Russia.
Alternatively (dont know if I mentioned this) Why not send a trans with 1 inf to Swiss country, and Spain and build an IC. Then pump 2 inf a turn and help Germany out.
I belive that attacking hawaii with you fleet is a large mistake. The american can easily take out your entire fleet on his turn which is disaterous for you. You need that fleet in case the americans do decide to build a fleet (I know it sounds crazy but maybe they tought doing what their enemy thinks they won’t do was a good idea, hmmm). You can not afford to lose your fleet, the americans can.
Instead you should attack the US fleet with your airforce while keeping your fleet out of range of the american airforce.
Djensen, thats the opposite of what you want. If USA builds a fleet thats GREAT! Germany can hold Africa and take Karelia easy. Your mainland effort might suffer, but Germany will win.
Yanny, that is exactly what i mean. By attacking Pearl Harbor, you make the US spend much on defences and a retaliation fleet/planes. when they grow too strong, leave and will have diverted all that time when they could of put pressure on the germans on you.
also i don’t see how the US can destroy the jap fleet in pearl harbor on their first turn.
it isn’t possible unless they roll really really good and you just roll 5’s and 6’s.
Waffen_AH
Us can kill the attacking pearl harbor fleet, at the expense of their own air force. You can attack with 1 BS, 1 Trn, 2 Ftr, 1 Bmr and the sub if it survived. This will usually take a big chunk of the Japaneese fleet out, but kill all US planes.
Yanny, i don’t see how the US has 2 fighters to attack with. the one on E. US can’t make it if i take hawaii.
1)E US –-> W US
2)W US —> ocean
3)ocean —> fleet
4)where does it go?
Hawaii (sp)
As the US nothing could make me hapier then having my entire fleet survive round one.
As Japan I will risk the atack with all but my Aircraft Carrier if I loose the battle ships I can still rebuild around my AC. I also build transports on the first several turns.
Also did you say in your original post that you place the infantry on the mainland? Is this a rule variation that you use?
Yanny, like i said, Japs take hawaii on their first turn.
Oh, my mistake. Well in that case As america I’d just build enough inf to hold you off, then continue to build trn for Anti - Germany, not actually countering you. One thing I would do though, is if the sub survived do a hit and run, and evac the rest of my fleet to the Atlantic.
dezerfish, yeah i play that you can place one inf anywhere you have controlled from the beginning of your turn. im not sure if its in the rules, but i have been taught the game that way and have always played it that way.
yanny, what if i take a couple of transports and land 4 inf in panama. wouldn’t that create a real pain in the ass for you? unless you had a decent amount on inf in mexico, that would buy a few turns of you retaliating and put my fleet within attacking range of yours.
Waffen
The Infantry placement you use is not in the rules. It is in the World @ War expansion, and I like the idea, however it makes it tough to discus strategy when you play by different rules. :smile:
I like the invasion of Hawaii idea. Especialy the panama follow through.
Red
[ This Message was edited by: dezrtfish on 2001-11-16 10:42 ]
Personally, I dont like the Panama invasion. I like to land the 4 inf into Argentina then move them into Brazil next turn. Only reason for my prefering this is to get to Brazil on Turn 3 and then an IC there on turn 4.
Now, this might sound REALLY crazy… but is it worth it not even attacking the American fleet on the first turn? This is ALWAYS the dilemma i face playing…
first, players are usually the same. The friends I play with…
1. Russia: good at stopping Germany… too good for me (I play entire Axis, 3 friends play Allies). However, I dominate him in Asia. Its basically a rush to see if I can take Moscow with Japan before he can take Berlin.
2. United Kingdom: usually defeats me to eat my German fleet (I take his, but he can rebuild). without a fleet, I invariably lose Africa, which sets me up to be constantly Normandyed : (
3. United States Not very good. I could probably use the ships I lost better than he could use the ships he lost… the battleship will always end up dying, I really like amphibious invasions on mainland Asia.
