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2012 League Discussion
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I could see 42 becoming popular as people tire of 41.
It seems alot of people gave up playing it because they found 42 unbalanced. Which is silly, since all you really need to balance it is an appropriate bid.
Back in the day there were some people on TripleA specializing in 42 but they ran into the same problem as those playing here–people couldn’t figure out good Allied strategies. To this day I can’t say there is a good Allied strat for 42 except demand a big bid and hope for good tech and dice–then play off your opponent’s errors. I wouldn’t take Allies (in dice/nt) for less than 12 though.
There have been 2 42 tourneys (dice/tech) at aamc and they will probably do it again next year.
I finally got myself a copy of 1940 Europe this weekend. With TripleA releasing an OOB version (global in the works), I’m looking forward to learning it. It’s a feast for a history buff and looks like a blast to play. Hopefully it will still be fun after a few dozen games!
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That’s another game that never got off the ground.
Of course everyone went global as soon as Europe 1940 came out, but I think we’re missing something there. E40 would be a blast. I’d play it if I could get an opponent and if I had the time. -
Zhuk, I’m still waiting on you to tell me whether your sub will submerge or fight. At least open our game thread and look, please. It’s the league championship!
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That’s another game that never got off the ground.Â
Of course everyone went global as soon as Europe 1940 came out, but I think we’re missing something there. E40 would be a blast. I’d play it if I could get an opponent and if I had the time.I tried Global, but it seems to me to be more suited for multiplayer than individual…AA50 is more fun as an individual, though I agree with your E40 comment.
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I think the Anniversary edition was a good idea, but should have been the replacement for Revised and not just a limited edition. You could have an initial release of limited edition (special box, pieces, etc), but then keep going with Anniversay because now if you want to play the '42 scenerio you can just play Revised (which was fairly balanced - bids of 8 to 11) or now you can play Spring '42.Â
I agree! What in the world were they thinking in just limiting the release??? They certainly are not making the insane $400+ it is selling for online now :roll:
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I tried G40 briefly, but found it to be a bit too much. Considering my gaming time is limited, I figured I’ll stick to anniversary as long as people still play that. I also didn’t like the various rule updates of G40. Alpha 2 or 3 etc. I like updates/clarifications/balancing but to continue doing them just made me say I’ll wait until a “standard” is determined and then maybe get into it.
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@Ol’:
I agree! What in the world were they thinking in just limiting the release??? They certainly are not making the insane $400+ it is selling for online now :roll:
:-) Insane because it’s more than 10X the cost of Spring 1942, but not insane in the sense that that is where supply is meeting demand. I’m not even willing to sell my copy for $400, and I’m broke.
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I tried G40 briefly, but found it to be a bit too much. Considering my gaming time is limited, I figured I’ll stick to anniversary as long as people still play that. I also didn’t like the various rule updates of G40. Alpha 2 or 3 etc. I like updates/clarifications/balancing but to continue doing them just made me say I’ll wait until a “standard” is determined and then maybe get into it.
EXACTLY
I was really excited about it as P40 (played several games) and then E40 (Global) came out. It was really exciting to play at first, and I weathered Alpha1 and Alpha2. But after that, it got to be too much.
A normal G40 turn can take hours, if you’re playing seriously. Compared to a normal AA50 turn of maybe 10-30 minutes. (Hours only if you’re in a single elimination late-round tournament game)
This is why AA50 is still the premier Axis and Allies game (at least for individuals, as OBG said). Global IS a fun team game - I immensely enjoyed a few games of 4 player Global (pre-Alpha2).Global is not a substitute for AA50 the way AA50 was for Revised, which was for Classic. It’s a little like comparing 3D chess or 4-way chess to regular chess, I think.
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I don’t take an hour to do a turn playing seriously. At first sure because of the rules and everything was new. Now I just automatically know what to do and roll the dice.
japan takes some getting used to so you figure out your buys and stuff. generally speaking Europe going good -> expansion. germany going bad -> rush for VCs and attempt pacific victory around round 8.
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cow, i can’t tell - do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?
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Since 1940 and AA50 leagues are going on in the same league area, I think the subject of this thread should be edited to specify that this is AA50 discussion
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i just wanna say hello to everyone that have played against me in the past. And i hope to beat everyone of you this year =)
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@JWW:
2012 League standings to date
Amazing Tyzoq & Yoshi, or should that be Yoshi & Tyzoq? Our top four could be set for the playoffs unless someone can take down DarthMaximus or Gamerman.
| Player | W-L | Pct |
| Tyzoq | 7-0 | 100% |
| Yoshi | 6-0 | 100% |
| NIX | 1-0 | 100% |
| CdnRanger | 1-0 | 100% |
| Darth Maximus | 10 -2 | 83% |
| Gamerman | 5-1 | 83% |
| DizzKneeLand33 | 3-1 | 75% |
| souL | 5-2 | 71% |
| Blood & Guts | 15-9 | 63% |
| JWW | 6-4 | 60% |
| U-505 | 3-3 | 50% |
| BoldFresh | 4-7 | 36% |
| Mojo | 1-2 | 33% |
| Lucky Lindy | 4-9 | 31% |
| djensen | 3-7 | 30% |
| Extra Billy | 3-10 | 23% |
| Amon Sul | 1-4 | 20% |
| Karl7 | 0-1 | 0% |
| Zhukov44 | 0-1 | 0% |
| BattlingMaxo | 0-1 | 0% |
| Gargantua | 0-1 | 0% |
| Cmdr Jenn | 0-1 | 0% |
| cts17 | 0-3 | 0% |
| Botider | 0-3 | 0% |
| Desert Journalist | 0-6 | 0% |Don’t forget we are potentially doing a “major” league this year. I expect to get to 14+ games, but I think we said we’d need 4 or more to do a major league playoffs. I think we will probably get there. At this point I’d include OBG, but he did leave the site so if we had another 4 I’d have no problem going with that 4 rather than giving an opponent an atuo-bye to “play” OBG in rd 1.
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I hope there isn’t a major playoff, because that takes 4 top players away from the “regular” playoff, and BOTH playoffs would be diluted. :|
14 is a lot of games!
Just my 2 cents - I don’t make the rules of course -
I hope there isn’t a major playoff, because that takes 4 top players away from the “regular” playoff, and BOTH playoffs would be diluted. :|
14 is a lot of games!
Just my 2 cents -Â I don’t make the rules of courseWell, its in the rules so we can’t really change it now. It may have influenced how people played their season. We also didn’t put restrictions on it (or a min. win % needed), so we may have players with losing records in the major playoffs.
However, I disagree that it will dilute the minor league. They can be considered separate skills. Its is one thing to be 8-2, it is another to be 16-4. It is also a reward for those that play a lot of games, which is what we want to encourge. I don’t want players to get to 9-1 or 8-2 and then stop playing because they are holding out for a playoff spot. I think someone who goes 16-8 is a very good player, but there is no way that person would get into a playoff with a 8 game minimum. Too many people will be between the 0-3 loss range, for example a 9-4 person would get the slot over a 16-8. So why would the 9-4 player play another game and risk a loss that puts them behind the 16-8 player?
I want to discourage that. Now the 9-4 player can play another game and if the lose still probably qualify for the major league even at 9-5.All that said, it only applies if we have at least 4 players with 14 games or more.
We always want to encourage games to be played, we also want to give some hope to players that might start off 0-2 or 0-3, maybe hit some tough dice in a couple games. What incentive would you have to continue playing if you are 1-4 in April? The past few years you’ve needed 3 losses or less the get into the playoffs. But with a major league maybe you get to 9-5 and qualify.
I’d certainly be open to tweaks for next year. JWW and I have already discussed some things. One thing we are looking at are ways to speed up the post season. We are crowning champions waaaaay too late. The intention was to create games the community would “watch” and take notice of. While some may, it is hard to stay interested if the playoffs are essentially running 9-10+ months. By the time we have winners the result is obselete because we have a new crop of league players positioning themselves for the current playoffs.
This is a different issue, but just wanted it known that we continue to look for ways to improve the league.
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Thanks for letting us in on your thoughts, DM
First, the long playoff season. This could be totally avoided if you apply the same time limits as you have for regular games. Now I know, you don’t want to force a forfeit, but you’ll think of something.
Zhukov’s maybe been really busy, but I’ve usually posted VERY timely to our game to try and keep it going, but he has had multiple week or two week delays. I’m not trying to pick on Zhukov - it hasn’t bothered me much although it would have been nice to have been crowned months ago with my first league championship, but I’m just saying if there is no enforcement on time limits on moves then you might continue to get this result.
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I hear you on the major playoff. And I totally agree you can’t change the rules on it now. I never intended to ask for that. I only meant for future years.
I’m concerned that you get a scenario something like this:
Player 1 is 16-2
Player 2 is 15-9 but isn’t playing anymore
Player 3 is 4-10
Player 4 is 3-11
Player 5 is 3-11This is actually a very possible scenario for 2012. Now what you’ve done by having a major playoff is taken Player 1 (which is you!) out of the “real” playoff with the other 3 best players of the year. This is the dilution I’m talking about.
Basically by having a major playoff, you are diluting the talent in the “minor” playoff by taking some of the best players out.
All that said, I personally don’t get charged up about the playoff, and have actually considered intentionally not qualifying by not playing enough different players this year. Or if I did qualify, I may decline my playoff spot.
You assume that all players’ motivations are to get into the playoffs, when in fact the opposite may be true.I think a number of players play in league just to be a part of the standings, and to have an “official” record of their games. And to follow the same game rules and have moderators, etc. So if I start off the year with 3 or 4 losses, I’m not discouraged from playing because of the great difficulty of qualifying for the playoffs. In fact, I would be motivated to play a lot more games so that my record doesn’t look so bad.
What do you think now?
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One more thing about the major playoff.
What would you think if you end this season 16-2 and your 3 opponents in the major playoff all have records way below .500? What would most other normal players think if they were in that position? Wouldn’t you want to be in the “minor” one playing the winning players? Wouldn’t you rather win the minor over me, Yoshi, and Tyzoq?
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I’m hoping you don’t have 4 players with 14 games or more (OBG won’t count if he doesn’t come back) so that there is only one playoff, because no, you can’t change the rules now. I think you should be in the same playoff as everyone else. If you’re not, I for one will be wondering “what if”!
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One point with the major league playoff is that you can play it just by giving a few games away to reach the 14 games limit…
I believe a minimum percentage of win should be required to reach it (like 50%, or at least 40%) to avoid that.
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