Gargantua vs. Corriganbp ("the giant slayer"), Oct 16 A3, Medium Luck, no tech

corriganbp

Gargantua is doing me a favor by teaching me how sea lion’s a bad idea for the Axis.

Medium Luck (his system), no tech

We are testing the balance of the new setup of a3.

Gargantua, fighting for the axis, is playing the allies, and I’m fighting for the allies by taking the axis. Make sense?

If yours truly, fresh out of diapers in axis and allies terms, can beat the mighty Gargantua with the new setup, clearly we have a balance issue - and Gargantua will reconsider his push for the beefed up axis setup.

Here we go . . . .

corriganbp

Germany 1

Mobilize AC, 2 trans, save zilch
Combat

Attack 106 – 2 subs vs. dst

117 & 103 to 106 (if my reading of medium luck is off let me know – gotta believe that we should be able to carry the remainder on this, this battles makes me a little nervous with my bad luck)
2+2 for attack (rolling at 4 or less, doesn’t matter but I’ll be consistent)
2 for defense

Att Dice Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 11@4: (3)
Def Dice Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)

Attack 109 – 2 subs bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs. dst and up to 4 ftrs – waiting for scramble orders

108 & 118
Bmb fr e germ
Ftr fr Holland
Ftr fr w germ
2 tacs fr w germ

Attack 111 - sub bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs dst Bship and up to 1 ftr – waiting for scramble orders

Sub fr 124
Ftr fr Norway
Ftr, tac fr w germ
Strat and tac fr e germ

Attack 112 – bship cruz ftr tac vs 2 cruz

Ftr fr hungary
Tac fr Poland
Bship and cruz fr 113

2 hits automatic vs. 1 hit automatic

Taken with dmg bship

Attack Paris – 5 inf 3 arts 5 tanks 3 mechs vs. 1 aa 6 inf 2 arts 2 tanks 1 ftr

1 inf 2 art 2 tanks fr Holland
4 inf 1 art 3 mechs fr w germ
3 tanks fr s germ

{5 x 1 + 6 x 2 + 5 x 3}/6 = (32/6) 5 hits plus shot at 2
Att Dice Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

{8 x 2 + 2 x 3 + 1x4}/6 = (26/6) 4 hits plus shot at 2
Def Dice Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (4)

Attack w France – 2 inf 1 mech 1 tank vs 1 inf 1 art

1 mech fr w germ
1 tank fr Holland
2 inf fr holland

{3 x 1 + 3 x 3}/6 = (12/6) = 1 hit

{2 x 2}/6 = 1 shot at 4
Def Dice Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 01@4: (5)

Attack Yugo – 3 tanks 9 inf 2 art vs. 5 inf
Tanks fr E Eur
1 inf fr Romania
2 inf fr Hungary
2 art 6 inf fr s germ

{7 x 1 + 4 x 2 + 3 x 3}/6 = (24/6) = 4 hits

{5x2}/6 = 10/6 = 1 hit plus shot at 4

Def Dice Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 11@4: (4)

g1.AAM

corriganbp

Attack 106 – taken with 2 subs
Attack 109 – 2 subs bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs. dst and up to 4 ftrs – waiting for scramble orders

108 & 118
Bmb fr e germ
Ftr fr Holland
Ftr fr w germ
2 tacs fr w germ

Attack 111 - sub bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs dst Bship and up to 1 ftr – waiting for scramble orders

Sub fr 124
Ftr fr Norway
Ftr, tac fr w germ
Strat and tac fr e germ

Attack 112 –Taken with dmg bship, cruz, ftr, tac

Attack Paris – 1 inf 3 arts 5 tanks 3 mechs vs. 2 inf 2 arts 2 tanks 1 ftr

{1x1 +6 x 2 + 5 x 3}/6 = (28/6) 4 hits plus shot at 4

Att: aaa 1@4:

{4 x 2 + 2 x 3 + 1x4}/6 = (18/6) 3 hits

Attack w France – 2 inf 1 mech 1 tank vs 1 art

{3 x 1 + 1 x 3}/6 = (6/6) = 1 hit

{1 x 2}/6 = 1 shot at 2

Def Dice Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)

Attack Yugo – 3 tanks 7 inf 2 art vs. 1 inf

{5 x 1 + 4 x 2 + 3 x 3}/6 = (22/6) = nuff

{1x2}/6 = 2/6 = 1 shot at 2
Def Dice Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

corriganbp

Attack 106 – taken with 2 subs
Attack 109 – 2 subs bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs. dst and up to 4 ftrs – waiting for scramble orders

108 & 118
Bmb fr e germ
Ftr fr Holland
Ftr fr w germ
2 tacs fr w germ

Attack 111 - sub bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs dst Bship and up to 1 ftr – waiting for scramble orders

Sub fr 124
Ftr fr Norway
Ftr, tac fr w germ
Strat and tac fr e germ

Attack 112 –Taken with dmg bship, cruz, ftr, tac

Attack Paris – 1 inf 3 arts 5 tanks 3 mechs vs. 2 inf 2 arts 2 tanks 1 ftr

{1x1 +6 x 2 + 5 x 3}/6 = (28/6) 4 hits plus shot at 4

Att Dice Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 11@4: (1)

{4 x 2 + 2 x 3 + 1x4}/6 = (18/6) 3 hits

Attack w France – 2 inf 1 mech 1 tank vs 1 art

{3 x 1 + 1 x 3}/6 = (6/6) = 1 hit

{1 x 2}/6 = 1 shot at 2

Def

Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 1
1@2: (2)

Yugo taken with 3 tanks 7 inf 2 art

corriganbp

Attack 106 – taken with 2 subs
Attack 109 – 2 subs bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs. dst and up to 4 ftrs – waiting for scramble orders

108 & 118
Bmb fr e germ
Ftr fr Holland
Ftr fr w germ
2 tacs fr w germ

Attack 111 - sub bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs dst Bship and up to 1 ftr – waiting for scramble orders

Sub fr 124
Ftr fr Norway
Ftr, tac fr w germ
Strat and tac fr e germ

Attack 112 –Taken with dmg bship, cruz, ftr, tac

Attack Paris – 3 arts 5 tanks 1 mech vs. 1 tanks 1 ftr

{4 x 2 + 5 x 3}/6 = (23/6) = nuff

{1 x 3 + 1x4}/6 = (7/6) = 1 hit plus shot at 1

Def Dice Rolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 01@1: (4)

W. France taken with 1 inf 1 mech 1 tank

Yugo taken with 3 tanks 7 inf 2 art

corriganbp

Attack 106 – taken with 2 subs
Attack 109 – 2 subs bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs. dst and up to 4 ftrs – waiting for scramble orders

108 & 118
Bmb fr e germ
Ftr fr Holland
Ftr fr w germ
2 tacs fr w germ

Attack 111 - sub bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs dst Bship and up to 1 ftr – waiting for scramble orders

Sub fr 124
Ftr fr Norway
Ftr, tac fr w germ
Strat and tac fr e germ

Attack 112 –Taken with dmg bship, cruz, ftr, tac

Paris taken with 3 arts 5 tanks

W. France taken with 1 inf 1 mech 1 tank

Yugo taken with 3 tanks 7 inf 2 art

Gargantua

whoah whoah whoah whoah WHOAH.

Medium Luck… (albiet you have rolled some dice… and not that I’ve review anything other than the battle off of Canada.) Works on a ROLL to ROLL basis.

I can CHOOSE to roll -OR- take the statistical average. But in many instances, I WILL roll and only seldomly take the stat.

For example… if I have 3 infantry defending, and you are attacking with an overwhelming force… I’ll roll 3 dice. As a personal style in medium luck, I roll about 80% of my battles, and only use medium luck when it’s a forgone conclusion that I am going to get a hit.

France is also a good example…

For the record, What you are currently playing is LOW LUCK, a game of which I have no time for. Because it’s not Axis and Allies - AT ALL, because you can’t roll dice when you want to, and your opponent KNOWS what you are going to do, and what to account for.

NO THANKS - we cannot continue on that basis - even on the basis of a test game.

I’m not even sure if we can do medium luck over a forum… simply because it takes so long to hear back from your opponent to see if he’s going to take the stat, or the roll… and of course it will depend on your OWN roll… :S Gah. So unless we’re texting back and forth by phone… not a condusive system.

Now, I don’t want to see you have to retype your turn… but I would like a chance to roll my battles that I want to roll out. This is going to change some things however.

Rawr…

So what do we do here?

A: Repost G1 using normal rules because medium luck isn’t going to work by forums…

B: I’ll have to decide which battles I wanted to roll for instead of taking the average, which then in turn may change your mind for subsequent turns… which… basically means reposting G1.

C:…

frack…

Either way we go about this… the only legitimate battle is 106 thus far… and we have to redo G1 :S

Let’s SCRAP the medium luck, and try from the beginning just standard A&A, sorry man. Based on your already planned attacks, I’ll post my scramble orders, subject to if you changing your attacks. Dloading the map now.

corriganbp

I hear what you’re saying and although I believe that low luck makes sense when we’re trying to figure game balance, I’m willing to switch to standard a&a, still go with the same opening.

Gargantua

Please repost G1 - no medium luck, and please proceed per your attacks.

Sorry partner, I was hoping to have a discussion first about Medium luck before starting our game :S Per my comments below at Harris Game Design…

Let’s play this game!

If you want to play Medium luck, is done on a roll by roll basis… So defender AND attack get to choose in each battle… which makes it difficult in PBF… If you want, and live in North America, I will text you my number via pvt forum and we can text on our turns when applicable. Otherwise… we should just use standard luck.

Any other considerations?

Anyways…

NO SCRAMBLES. - Unless you change your moves.

corriganbp

I agree that that would be too slow. Let’s just go with standard.

Gargantua

Thanks Corrigan.

Low Luck is a REALLY different creature… you constantly look for match-ups where you know all you have to send for example, si 2 fighters to garuntee one hit.

In the regular game however… you know that you might miss and so you have to send that extra fighter sometimes… it works equally on defence, sometimes you will take different units as casualties because LL changes the situation. The game is drastically altered… Risk and position are PARAMOUNT conditions in Axis and Allies.

ML mitigates most of the worst situations of both… but in reality, it’s only do-able face to face.

Looking forward to results of your perfectly planned attack!

corriganbp

so both would have to agree to use low luck? and you would not have agreed to using low luck on my opening?

corriganbp

Germany 1

Mobilize AC, 2 trans, save zilch
Combat

Attack 106 – 2 subs vs. dst

Att Dice Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 12@2: (4, 2)
Def Dice Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (4)

Attack 109 – 2 subs bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs. dst – no scramble

108 & 118
Bmb fr e germ
Ftr fr Holland
Ftr fr w germ
2 tacs fr w germ

Att Dice Rolls: 2@2 2@3 3@4; Total Hits: 42@2: (4, 5)2@3: (6, 3)3@4: (3, 4, 2)
Def Dice Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (1)

Attack 111 - sub bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs vs dst Bship no scramble

Sub fr 124
Ftr fr Norway
Ftr, tac fr w germ
Strat and tac fr e germ

Att Dice Rolls: 1@2 2@3 3@4; Total Hits: 31@2: (2)2@3: (1, 6)3@4: (5, 3, 5)
Def Dice Rolls: 1@2 1@4; Total Hits: 11@2: (4)1@4: (3)

Attack 112 – bship cruz ftr tac vs 2 cruz

Ftr fr hungary
Tac fr Poland
Bship and cruz fr 113

Att Dice Rolls: 2@3 2@4; Total Hits: 22@3: (4, 5)2@4: (2, 4)
Def Dice Rolls: 2@3; Total Hits: 12@3: (5, 3)

Attack Paris – 5 inf 3 arts 5 tanks 3 mechs vs. 1 aa 6 inf 2 arts 2 tanks 1 ftr

1 inf 2 art 2 tanks fr Holland
4 inf 1 art 3 mechs fr w germ
3 tanks fr s germ

Att Dice Rolls: 5@1 6@2 5@3; Total Hits: 55@1: (6, 6, 4, 5, 6)6@2: (1, 3, 1, 5, 6, 5)5@3: (5, 3, 2, 2, 4)
Def Dice Rolls: 8@2 2@3 1@4; Total Hits: 68@2: (2, 3, 5, 2, 2, 1, 1, 5)2@3: (4, 5)1@4: (4)

Attack w France – 2 inf 1 mech 1 tank vs 1 inf 1 art

Att Dice Rolls: 3@1 1@3; Total Hits: 13@1: (5, 2, 2)1@3: (2)
Def Dice Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 22@2: (1, 1)

Attack Yugo – 3 tanks 9 inf 2 art vs. 5 inf

Att Dice Rolls: 7@1 4@2 3@3; Total Hits: 27@1: (5, 6, 6, 6, 2, 6, 5)4@2: (2, 5, 3, 4)3@3: (6, 5, 2)
Def Dice Rolls: 5@2; Total Hits: 35@2: (2, 2, 1, 3, 3)

corriganbp

106 taken with 2 subs

109 taken with 1 sub, that’s a break for you that easily could have been 2 subs, makes a difference plus bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs

111 all ships cleared, bmb 2 ftrs 2 tacs remain

112 cleared with 1/2 bship cruz ftr tac - important that the cruz survives

Attack Paris – 3 arts 5 tanks 2 mechs vs. 2 inf 2 arts 2 tanks 1 ftr

att Dice Rolls: 5@2 5@3; Total Hits: 55@2: (3, 5, 4, 3, 5)5@3: (2, 3, 3, 3, 1)
def Dice Rolls: 4@2 2@3 1@4; Total Hits: 34@2: (5, 5, 1, 4)2@3: (6, 3)1@4: (3)

Attack w France – 1 mech 1 tank vs 1 art

att Dice Rolls: 1@1 1@3; Total Hits: 11@1: (2)1@3: (2)
def Dice Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (1)

Attack Yugo – 3 tanks 6 inf 2 art vs. 3 inf

att Dice Rolls: 4@1 4@2 3@3; Total Hits: 54@1: (1, 5, 5, 2)4@2: (4, 5, 1, 1)3@3: (4, 3, 3)
def Dice Rolls: 3@2; Total Hits: 13@2: (6, 2, 6)

Promote our admirals and shoot our generals what a mixed opening.

corriganbp

I guess my pep talk worked!

Attack Paris – 2 arts 5 tanks vs. 1 tank 1 ftr

att Dice Rolls: 2@2 5@3; Total Hits: 52@2: (3, 6)5@3: (3, 1, 1, 3, 1)
def Dice Rolls: 1@3 1@4; Total Hits: 11@3: (1)1@4: (5)

w france taken with a tank, your inf and art took out 2 inf and a mech.

Yugo taken with 3 tanks 5 inf 2 art

corriganbp

Paris taken with 1 art and 5 tanks, not great.

NCM

Activate finland, inf fr Norway
Activate Bulgaria, inf fr Romania
Aa guns fr w germ to Holland
2 inf fr den to w germ
2 inf fr Norway to w germ via trans
3 arts fr e germ to w germ
11 inf and 3 aa fr e germ to s germ
3 inf fr Poland to e germ
1 ftrs fr 109 land on Ac in 112 (newly built)
Rest of 109 to Holland
Ftr and tac fr 112 to w germ
2 ftrs fr 111 to w germ
Bmb fr 111 to w germ
Tac fr 111 to ac in 112
Rest to w germ

Mobilize 2 trans in 113
Mobilize AC in 112

Collect 41 + 10 + 19 (French booty) = 70 ipcs in pocket

g1.AAM

Gargantua

Per your comments, what you’re saying is, that Sea-Lion isn’t always a 100% victory?

corriganbp

I have never claimed it was 100% - I just said that it’s very probable. If you play standard luck anything can happen. In the last game that I played, there were several battles where an odds calculator would have given me 100% chances, and I lost them, so no way am I saying 100%. However, the success rate is high enough that it breaks things to the advantage of the Axis.

If you only believe that an absolute 100% breaks the game to one side’s advantage, then this does not break the game under that definition.

If I don’t take Paris, I am calling it off and this happened 1 time.

Here’s my record, when I go for sea lion.

15 sea lion attempts,

2 failed attempts, one with 82% odds, the other with something like 50-60% odds, I was being too aggressive and that was an alpha 2 game.

13 successful sea lion attempts, all ending with vcitory.

Eventually I will lose a post sea lion game, but the %s are still quite good.

Gargantua vs. Corriganbp ("the giant slayer"), Oct 16 A3, Medium Luck, no tech

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