G40 Tourney Discussion/question(s)
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So Alpha 3 is still being tinkered with?
I’m out as well.
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So Alpha 3 is still being tinkered with?
I’m out as well.
No idea if it is being tinkered with.
Almost every response from Larry now is “bite me” so maybe he’s done?
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Actually, I’m just out.
Alpha 2 may as well be buried with the dinosaurs, and Alpha 3 just isn’t ready.
If I vote, then it is for OOB with a bid. It is still technically the official rule set.
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Seems like since this is an A2 tournament and A3 is still being updated, see the green dates some September some October, I say save alpha 3 for a raining day, maybe next year in fact. Personally, I’m not sure I even want to play A3 for fun, its so fundamentally changed, that its taking the simple cool things like convoy raiding and making them work…no predictability, more dicey then A2 as a result. The NO’s are changed, the Neutrals are tinkered with, SBR is messed with. I prefer a game that is less dice as close to chess as possible but a little variability is fine. This is just getting to bogged down, and quite frankly too much bookkeeping. Trying to figure out your opponents reactions just adds more time to each turn face to face suffers greatly, forum play is painstaking now with all the extra typing, the extra delays due to turn order changes, (France should be moved to after USSR imo for easy posting).
In short, I vote A2.
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I vote A3.
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Okay, looks like a significant portion of the participants want to stick with Alpha 2 for the next round.
If BOTH players decide they want to go with Alpha 3 instead, then you may use Alpha 3. Otherwise, you must use Alpha 2.
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I’m gonna vote Alpha 2 as well. If Alpha 3 gets more settled then it may be worth a look later on. I agree with James, there are a suprising number of fundamental changes to the basic game rules in Alpha 3. Alpha 2 is probably the best set up so far… a bid can even it out. It is kind of lame that Sea Lion is so easy in Alpha 2, but it does not guarantee an Axis win. There are some tourny games that show that the Allies can still win after a successful Sea Lion.
If the players make a gentlemen’s agreement to use Alpha 3, I don’t see a problem with that either. I know there have been some issues with rule clarity, format, and players dropping with this tournament, but I think overall it has been very fun so far and I think players should not get too uptighht about this rule set or that. This is our hobby because it is fun. G40 is an excellent format; we can work with the rule varients and keep the tourny moving.
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Agreed. We can have an Alpha 3 tournament next year (unless it’s Alpha +6 by then). The Global 1940 league will almost certainly be based on Alpha 3, again, unless Larry makes some weird decision that I cannot foresee.
For now, if the two players agree and post in the opening round that they want to play Alpha 3 instead of Alpha 2, I will assume they are using the Alpha 3 ruleset as printed prior to the date of the first round. (So being Larryed won’t screw up a perfectly good strategy because of a fundamental shift in some game aspect.)
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Gotta vote Alpha 2. I’m just finally learning these rules… don’t change them on me now.
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Cmdr Jennifer,
It looks like there are only 5 games left in round 1. Now that the rule set issue seems settled, any chance we can get the pairings set for Round 2 so we can at least place a bid and know who we are facing and which side we will be?
Seems we are one spot short for a full winners bracket as there were only 15 games, right? Maybe we take the loser from Round 1 who got the most rounds in before conceding to go ahead and play in the winner’s bracket spot for the 8th game.
As far as the 2nd chance bracket, we probably need people to “opt in” there because several people seemed to have dropped from the tourny all together, but I think we should still have one as we advertised it as a double elimination. There may not be 16 players for it, but there will probably be at least 8.
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Maybe we take the loser from Round 1 who got the most rounds in before conceding to go ahead and play in the winner’s bracket spot for the 8th game.
This makes no sense. Some players would have kept playing their game if they had known this…Plus, it encourages players to always keep playing as long as they can for future rounds(and in Global, finishing to the end a player can take some weeks in play by forum).
If we are to get a player from the losers bracket, then i propose we:
1- Ask officially who’s interested
2- leave a few days for everyone to get a chance to read it
3- give a number to each player and publicly roll a dice to see which one won the lottery. -
The bracket, at least for the winners, will go with winner of game one vs winner of game two, etc. So you should at least be able to trash talk your opponent.
I’ll open bids for round 2 next Friday (28 October). I have some real life concerns that will be resolved on Thursday.
To fill the missing spot, anyone who lost round 1 that wants to continue may PM me. I’m not sure we have enough players for a redemption bracket so we may not have one. I’ll collect the PMs, list out the constestants and figure out some way to D6 roll for who gets the spot. (Course, a D20 might be better, if only the site supported it!)
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@Cmdr:
The bracket, at least for the winners, will go with winner of game one vs winner of game two, etc. So you should at least be able to trash talk your opponent.
OK, but the empty slot is #14, so the lottery winner will play in that slot then?
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I PMed Jen to count me in if you are short players.
Cmdr Jennifer,
Maybe we take the loser from Round 1 who got the most rounds in before conceding to go ahead and play in the winner’s bracket spot for the 8th game.
Whats wrong with this. Finishing prematurely is never a good idea. :lol:
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I PMed Jen to count me in if you are short players.
Cmdr Jennifer,
Maybe we take the loser from Round 1 who got the most rounds in before conceding to go ahead and play in the winner’s bracket spot for the 8th game.
Whats wrong with this. Finishing prematurely is never a good idea. :lol:
I was actually thinking of you when I wrote that TDS. That game with Karl was a fast-paced marathon.
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Yeah we did chew through the rounds. I always fight to the death, you never know what those dice will do next.
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@Cmdr:
To fill the missing spot, anyone who lost round 1 that wants to continue may PM me. I’m not sure we have enough players for a redemption bracket so we may not have one. I’ll collect the PMs, list out the constestants and figure out some way to D6 roll for who gets the spot. (Course, a D20 might be better, if only the site supported it!)
First I would like to thank you Jenn for all the work you’ve put into this tourney, I know it’s been complicated with people not showing up and possible rule changes like Alpha 3. You have even had to handle bids, rule questions, and even complaints. Hosting a tournament like this is never easy but you have done a wonderful job.
As a loser of round 1 I would prefer a redemption bracket if at all possible, if not I understand. If there is just one open spot for a loser of round 1 to continue. I would rather someone else receive that opportunity.
Thanks again for your efforts and good luck with whatever you decide.
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Re: match with Tds… I still weep at the loss of7 transports to a lone German bomber in a brilliant Italian German mobe
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A.P.B.:
Any knowledge on the whereabouts on Game 6?
Game 6:
i rock - Allies
vs
Zcion - Won the bid with a bid of three (3) (infantry), AxisIt looks like we may have to take 2 players that were unsuccessful in Round 1
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On Monday, 31 October 2011, I will look to take any number of round 1 losers or fresh blood to fill the roster for round 2. I’d rather take the winners, but it seems we have a few missing players (most likely due to the new rule set being out and some players just not wanting to play Alpha 2 anymore.)
Round 1 losers will have priority over fresh blood, due to “first come, first served” issues. I just think it’s more fair for someone who was here and signed up to take priority over someone who just dropped in.
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