11L 41 DarthM (Allies) vs JWW 9 Bid NO, -tech, 14VC

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added the six ipc damage Germany inflicted on the UK IC to the map.

Japan has established the triangle of death. Can you locate it on the map? GL my friend.

[DarthMaximus]

I’m guessing you mean Sum/Ind/Sz 34.  Yeah, the ME is going to be an issue now.  lol!

[DarthMaximus]

UK Round 10

Pay 5 damage

Buy 6 inf, 1 arm

Combat Move

1)  Pol - 2 inf vs. 2 inf (uk), 4 ftrs (sz 6), 1 ca, 1 bb
2)  Bst - 1 inf vs. 2 inf (uk), 1 ftr, 4 bom (mos)

[DarthMaximus]

Pol

2 inf, 4 ftrs, ca, bb

Rolls: 2@1 5@3 1@4; Total Hits: 32@1: (5, 4)5@3: (3, 2, 6, 6, 4)1@4: (1)

2 inf

Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 02@2: (4, 6)

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Bst

2 inf, 1 ftr, 4 bom

Rolls: 2@1 1@3 4@4; Total Hits: 32@1: (3, 4)1@3: (5)4@4: (3, 4, 6, 2)

1 inf

Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (4)

[DarthMaximus]

Results

pol - takne, wol
bst - taken, wol

Non-Combat Move

1 ftr, 4 bom to mos
4 ftrs to sz 5
4 inf, 1 rt to kar from fin
3 inf to kar from uk
fleet to sz 5
1 inf, 1 rt, 1 arm to con from rho
1 inf to cauc from mos
1 inf to mos from arch

Placement

6 inf, 1 arm on UK

Collect 31

11L_DM_v_JWW_10dUK.AAM

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italy 10 purchase 2inf & art spend 10 (save 1)

combat - none

ncm:
nwe art > ger
fra 3 inf > ger
ita 2 inf > fra
ita inf > blk

placement 2inf & arm ita

ita collects 9 + 1 saved = 10

11L_DM_v_JWW_10eITA.AAM

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@DarthMaximus:

I’m guessing you mean Sum/Ind/Sz 34.  Yeah, the ME is going to be an issue now.  lol!

IND, BUR, FIC & SUM

[DarthMaximus]

@JWW:

@DarthMaximus:

I’m guessing you mean Sum/Ind/Sz 34.  Yeah, the ME is going to be an issue now.  lol!

IND, BUR, FIC & SUM

Oh, okay.  Yeah, figured it was something in that region.  Its very powerful for J indeed.
I don’t know if I get it all that often.  I sometimes need Man instead of Sum (or I’m worried about defending Sum from a US heavy Pac move.  Maybe you just go Sum early (J2??) and deal with it right away.  Then again, I don’t think I’m all that great as the Axis.  Sure if things go right on G1-J1 I’m fine.  But avg to bad starts for Ger, just really slow me down (particularly with strong Russian play).  And with J, I have similar issues as my US play, just how much to put into the Pac and how aggressive to be there.  Particularly if G struggles, is it best to just do “normal” Japan and figure an eventual Moster J can take out Russia even if Ger and Ita fall or do you divert and immediately go to the Mid East or Med for reinforcements to Europe (other than planes) or harass US at the expense of a super strong Russian push.

I’ve noticed quite a few of the top players abandon Fra on G1 (either out of necessity or just for a stronger push East early) and I’m considering it for future games.  I usually defend with 3-4 inf and a couple planes, but I know I have a tough time on G2 maintaing the inf to really secure Epl (esp against Strong Russian tank buys).  So maybe that’s one area I can improve my Axis play.

As for the Allies, I think I’m starting to get them down much better.  Would have done some things different this game, certainly conceding the Pac is not really a good move but I felt I wasn’t going to get anywhere (messed up earlier with the US) so I didn’t really want to waste anymore resourses there.

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@DarthMaximus:

I sometimes need Man instead of Sum (or I’m worried about defending Sum from a US heavy Pac move.  Maybe you just go Sum early (J2??)

I won’t do SUM unless I am confident I can control the Pacific. Your Pacific naval loss and your Atlantic fleet move gave me the “green light” for SUM. I NEVER put an IC in MAN. Your JPN IC should be able to produce enough for that area.
@DarthMaximus:

Then again, I don’t think I’m all that great as the Axis.  Sure if things go right on G1-J1 I’m fine.  But avg to bad starts for Ger, just really slow me down (particularly with strong Russian play).  And with J, I have similar issues as my US play, just how much to put into the Pac and how aggressive to be there.

IMO, you need to match the US Pacific fleet purchase every turn to ensure you can control the Pacific.
@DarthMaximus:

Particularly if G struggles, is it best to just do “normal” Japan and figure an eventual Moster J can take out Russia even if Ger and Ita fall or do you divert and immediately go to the Mid East or Med for reinforcements to Europe (other than planes) or harass US at the expense of a super strong Russian push.

If G falls fast you are done. That is why I make conservative purchases early, INF & ARM, regardless G can effectively “turtle” and hold Euro for quite a while allowing J to hit back at Russia. If G is weak and needs help I’ll push on Russia’s door w/J and leave the med & afr alone. Also, sending fgt’s to help defend I & G, is a real advantage.
@DarthMaximus:

I’ve noticed quite a few of the top players abandon Fra on G1 (either out of necessity or just for a stronger push East early) and I’m considering it for future games.  I usually defend with 3-4 inf and a couple planes, but I know I have a tough time on G2 maintaining the inf to really secure Epl (esp against Strong Russian tank buys).  So maybe that’s one area I can improve my Axis play.

Yeah, I’ve had this done to me and done it myself. It depends how strong the G opening is IMO. If the UK has the lone trn left and multiple targets to hit w/the AF, z5 & 6, I’ll usually leave 1-2 inf and perhaps a fgt in FRA. I just hate to give away 11 IPC’s on T1. I feel, with a G1 purchase of inf, art & arm that I can get back into Eastern Euro w/strength quickly.

@DarthMaximus:

conceding the Pac is not really a good move.

Agreed!! IMO it can’t be done.

[DarthMaximus]

Thanks for the feedback.  There isn’t much strat talk in the forums (since G40 came out), so I like getting in my strat talk somewhere.

@JWW:

@DarthMaximus:

I sometimes need Man instead of Sum (or I’m worried about defending Sum from a US heavy Pac move.  Maybe you just go Sum early (J2??)

I won’t do SUM unless I am confident I can control the Pacific. Your Pacific naval loss and your Atlantic fleet move gave me the “green light” for SUM. I NEVER put an IC in MAN. Your JPN IC should be able to produce enough for that area.

I usually go (for ICs), Fic then Bur, then hopefully Ind.  I have sort of naturally gotten away from Man, but once in a blue moon, I might throw one up there 1st.  If I was hammered on J1.  Which for me seems to happen a lot.  I’m actually moving away from attacking Yun on J1 cause I absolutely get hammered there every time.

I got a bit ansty in the Pac early and with this game and my tourney game against Yoshi, I’ve learned no subs for US.  I just can’t make it work.  Nothing like the tried and true ACs + ftrs.  Air power is unbelievable.  The range, the off and def numbers, and the versatility are huge.

@JWW:

@DarthMaximus:

Then again, I don’t think I’m all that great as the Axis.  Sure if things go right on G1-J1 I’m fine.  But avg to bad starts for Ger, just really slow me down (particularly with strong Russian play).  And with J, I have similar issues as my US play, just how much to put into the Pac and how aggressive to be there.

IMO, you need to match the US Pacific fleet purchase every turn to ensure you can control the Pacific.

Agreed.  You can’t afford to skimp.  Or better yet why risk it.  Japan can usually afford to match, so that is definitely a solid play.  Asia can’t really fight back anyway.

@JWW:

@DarthMaximus:

Particularly if G struggles, is it best to just do “normal” Japan and figure an eventual Moster J can take out Russia even if Ger and Ita fall or do you divert and immediately go to the Mid East or Med for reinforcements to Europe (other than planes) or harass US at the expense of a super strong Russian push.

If G falls fast you are done. That is why I make conservative purchases early, INF & ARM, regardless G can effectively “turtle” and hold Euro for quite a while allowing J to hit back at Russia. If G is weak and needs help I’ll push on Russia’s door w/J and leave the med & afr alone. Also, sending fgt’s to help defend I & G, is a real advantage.

Definitely agree about G falling fast.  I like Inf + Arm.  I typically base my arm on number needed to prevent Rus from moving to Epl (if I can’t stack it).  I like getting my full 10 units on the board.

@JWW:

@DarthMaximus:

I’ve noticed quite a few of the top players abandon Fra on G1 (either out of necessity or just for a stronger push East early) and I’m considering it for future games.  I usually defend with 3-4 inf and a couple planes, but I know I have a tough time on G2 maintaining the inf to really secure Epl (esp against Strong Russian tank buys).  So maybe that’s one area I can improve my Axis play.

Yeah, I’ve had this done to me and done it myself. It depends how strong the G opening is IMO. If the UK has the lone trn left and multiple targets to hit w/the AF, z5 & 6, I’ll usually leave 1-2 inf and perhaps a fgt in FRA. I just hate to give away 11 IPC’s on T1. I feel, with a G1 purchase of inf, art & arm that I can get back into Eastern Euro w/strength quickly.

Yeah, kinda on same page here too.  Giving away that 11 hurts.

@JWW:

@DarthMaximus:

conceding the Pac is not really a good move.

Agreed!! IMO it can’t be done.

Yeah, I really don’t like to do it.  But I have the hardest time handling a KGF (as the Axis), so I really can’t figure it out.  lol!

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@DarthMaximus:

I’m actually moving away from attacking Yun on J1 cause I absolutely get hammered there every time.

Yeah, i don’t touch that anymore. CHI can keep the fgt, it just isn’t that important.
@DarthMaximus:

Nothing like the tried and true ACs + ftrs.  Air power is unbelievable.  The range, the off and def numbers, and the versatility are huge. [/qoute] AGREED
@DarthMaximus:

Yeah, I really don’t like to do it.  But I have the hardest time handling a KGF (as the Axis), so I really can’t figure it out.  lol!

I feel to be successful with the allies you need to have good balance. USA needs to throw a few, very few IPC’s at the euro theater, The UK and Russia need to hammer G & I and the americans need to contain J.

I think I am going to bid 30 for the allies against either Gamer or DD. I think I’d settle for 24 believe it or not.

[DarthMaximus]

Then how do you deal with the Ita fleet?

I’m moving away from my UK bom buy.  I love the bombers but UK really needs trns and the ability to threaten lots of eu ter.  Plus its telegraphed and locks in your stack to Trj.  Plus I think the stack can be moved with the right moves.

So now I’m going back to just killing the fleet with the US on US 3, which has some of the same issues but with ACs in Sz 12 you wouldn’t necessarily need Trj.
Or do you just not worry about the Ita fleet and kill it when its convenient for you.

I think the earlier the US dumps into the Pac the better, but again I have a hard time going with a lot to the Pac on US 1 b/c a Ger ftr or bom here or there may mean UK has to buy more capital ships.

I’d really like to try some all out KJFs, but just don’t have the guts to do it.

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Yeah, you could probably get 20 or more.  Lol!

Although, If I’d ever get beyond 12 (in the 15 range) I’d seriously consider a PE play with Russia.

[DarthMaximus]

US Round 10

Buy 1 trn, 7 inf, 3 arm

Combat Move

1)  Per - 1 inf vs. 1 rt (kaz), 1 ftr (cauc), 1 bom (mos)
2)  Trj - 1 inf, aa vs. 1 inf (egy), 1 bom (mos)

[DarthMaximus]

Per

1 rt, 1 ftr, 1 bom

Rolls: 1@2 1@3 1@4; Total Hits: 11@2: (3)1@3: (4)1@4: (3)

1 inf

Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (1)

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Trj

AA-Fire

Rolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 01@1: (5)

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Trj

1 inf, 1 bom

Rolls: 1@1 1@4; Total Hits: 01@1: (6)1@4: (5)

1 inf

Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)

[DarthMaximus]

Results

per - cleared with planes
trj - held - bom retreats

Non-Combat Move

2 boms to mos
1 ftr to egy
4 inf, 1 rt to egy from lib
1 arm to egy from alg
4 inf, 1 rt to lib from alg
3 ftrs to egy from sz 12
1 ac, 2 ftrs to sz 5 from sz 6
9 sub, 1 dd, 2 ac to sz 10 from sz 20
5 inf, 1 arm to alg from ecan
3 inf to ecan from eus
5 inf to ecan from wcan
1 arm to ecan from wus
3 ftrs to sz 12 from wus
8 inf to wcan from wus

Placement

1 trn in Sz 10
7 inf, 3 arm on Wus

Collect 37 + 5 (NO) = 42 total

11L_DM_v_JWW_10fUS.AAM

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@DarthMaximus:

Then how do you deal with the Ita fleet?

for better or worse I ignore it.
@DarthMaximus:

Or do you just not worry about the Ita fleet and kill it when its convenient for you.

That is my play. Hit afr on T1,2,3 perhaps with the UK & USA (existing trn and dd) perhaps buy 1trn or 1 cv for the atlantic but the major pressure is on J and the pacific. Then if/when it’s convienent hit the ITA navy.

@DarthMaximus:

I think the earlier the US dumps into the Pac the better, but again I have a hard time going with a lot to the Pac on US 1 b/c a Ger ftr or bom here or there may mean UK has to buy more capital ships.

Yeah 1-2 cv’s perhaps in the ATL but it depends what J is doing. Balance is key I think.
@DarthMaximus:

I’d really like to try some all out KJFs, but just don’t have the guts to do it.

Let me know when you are going to try it and I’ll watch.

@DarthMaximus:

Yeah, you could probably get 20 or more.  Lol!

Although, If I’d ever get beyond 12 (in the 15 range) I’d seriously consider a PE play with Russia.

A PE??

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You are getting screwed by the dice gods.