German True Neutral Crush Counter to USA 100% Pacifc?

[special forces]

@Xandax:

@special:

Another thing, if your Turkey attack fails and Greece is not yet taken,  1 Turk can walk in and activate them.

Is that an Alpha2 thing? Because in the rules for normal it states that if you fail to capture an unfriendly neutral, that the enemy defending (activated) units can’t move

Ahh yes, i forgot, Russia would have to go there to enlist those units before they can move (i think).
So ok, no Greece then ;)

[Kobu]

G2? Also, how are you attacking Turkey without taking Greece?

[Gargantua]

Through italian transports obviously!

[Chompers2]

7. Collect 2 IPCs per turn for each of the following three territories that Germany controls: Iraq, Persia and Northwest Persia. Theme: Access to strategic oil reserves.

These bonuses make the middle east account for 10 points rather than 4.

It is possible to take Turkey G2 if Italy takes Greece but probably too costly because it would have to be done with tanks and the Air Force.  That is what my opponent did in the game we played.  So Turkey probably falls G3 then instead.

I think Germany could still build the Baltic Fleet G1 and keep Britan in check after the Air Force is used with subs to waste most of the Royal Navy.  After that UK will be not be bothering Germany any time soon with the US engaged with Japan early game.  Remember my theory was really to use this to counter a 100% Japan maim by USA.  I wouldn’t want to use it in a game where US is heading to Europe first.

I think Italy would be doing rather well with Germany able to help them out in the Middle East by going through Turkey.  Also it would expand the German Economy.

[special forces]

@Frank:

7. Collect 2 IPCs per turn for each of the following three territories that Germany controls: Iraq, Persia and Northwest Persia. Theme: Access to strategic oil reserves.

These bonuses make the middle east account for 10 points rather than 4.

Uh? Is this an Alpha2 NO?

Even so, you’re forgetting your opponents get to play as well, the INF from W.India walks in persia turn 2 (the turn that in your plan you obliterate Turkey) receiving 2 units. Since it is global, it won’t take long for india to take Afghanistan for another 4 extra INF.

About taking Turkey, with how much do you attack them in G2? (or G3)

I think Germany could still build the Baltic Fleet G1 and keep Britan in check after the Air Force is used with subs to waste most of the Royal Navy.  After that UK will be not be bothering Germany any time soon with the US engaged with Japan early game.  Remember my theory was really to use this to counter a 100% Japan maim by USA.  I wouldn’t want to use it in a game where US is heading to Europe first.

Understandable (and i kinda forgot the 100%pacific aspect).
1 problem though, if all this has to take place (G2 for example), that means USA has played 1 turn. An all Pacific strat will only really show after a couple of turns, unless the whole game is an announced 100% USA Pacific strat.

As soon as this neutral crush starts, it’s a whole new game and it won’t take long for USA to re-focus.
So yes… as a Pacific Strat counter, this will definitely work, in fact this will be a huge magnet! Yet i am not sure the Axis will be better off this way ;)

[Chompers2]

Well if it at least focues the USA to focus on heading to Europe instead of Japan then that would give the Axis an opening to win the game in the Pacifc.

I think if USA just decided to head for Japan anyway that the Axis would win the game in Europe under this scenario.

[special forces]

@Frank:

Well if it at least focues the USA to focus on heading to Europe instead of Japan then that would give the Axis an opening to win the game in the Pacifc.

I think if USA just decided to head for Japan anyway that the Axis would win the game in Europe under this scenario.

I think so too (would take a not so smart USA player for that, imho)

By the way, i just noticed a naval base in Spain would serve 5 seazones! It’s like a pimped Gibraltar  :-o
(and the possibilities of an airbase are great as well, complete coverage of the Med and most of the North Sea. As Axis you really don’t want to give Spain to the USA!)

[Chompers2]

You are correct that Spain in Allied hands is bad news…  There are consequences to every out of the box strategy.  If the Allies make a push for Spain Germany may have to go down there with some Armor and Planes and take it back.  If the Allies really drop a bunch of guys there that Germany can’t take it back then it just might mean that Japan will have enough time to score the victory in the Pacific.

I am starting to think there is not a convential road to victory for the Axis in Global Alpha +2 like in say Spring 1942.  That game was all about killing Russia.  While killing Russia is certianly nice and mostly still neccesary in Alpha +2 it in and of itself will not win you the game. If France is liberated in the meantime or Italy is defeated in Egypt then getting that last victory can be out of reach if Axis timing in finishing Russia is off even a little bit.

While I am not saying that attacking Neutrals is neccesarly the best way to go, I am believing more and more that the Axis need to really think outside the box to win.

[special forces]

Thinking outside the box is a good thing. And leads to interesting results, even if finally they don’t work.
Please keep doing it :)

[knp7765]

@Frank:

I am starting to think there is not a convential road to victory for the Axis in Global Alpha +2 like in say Spring 1942.  That game was all about killing Russia.  While killing Russia is certianly nice and mostly still neccesary in Alpha +2 it in and of itself will not win you the game. If France is liberated in the meantime or Italy is defeated in Egypt then getting that last victory can be out of reach if Axis timing in finishing Russia is off even a little bit.

Yeah, I think Global 40 is the first game where defeating Russia is not a game winner for Germany.  In previous games, it seemed to me that once Germany took out Russia, it was just about over for the Allies.  Germany just had too much money for the Allies to stop them.  There are exceptions, like if Germany concentrated so much on taking Russia that they left Berlin absurdly weak and UK or USA slips in with a relatively small invasion force and takes it.  I have seen this happen.  UK takes Berlin, USA lands troops to back them up and most of Germany’s hardware is too far away trying to take Moscow.
Still, in Global 40, there are a lot more variables.  Even if Moscow falls, so could Rome and Germany has Allies right on their doorstep, not to mention losing a precious victory city.