@Imperious:
Wait: slow down just establish the land and air units, then the values
then naval, so on.
Need somebody to research the economic potency of these nations around 1900 or at worst 1914 ( use GDP)
Then we need research on who had what and where
etc… Research first, then design
We need to know if he is able to make those sculpts and if he as the time
If you make one set of generic sculpts and just have a color change, it will be a lot cheaper to produce pieces. More molds… A lot more money!
Dreadnought battleships could be a tech upgrade from pre-Dreadnought ironclads. In real life, they were introduced in 1906. Good idea to have armoured cars rather than tanks, since tanks didn’t exist until WWI.
“War: Age of Imperialism” from Eagle Games has some reasonably decent plastic ironclads (complete with a ramming spur at the bow), and various types colonial-looking troops with pith helmets and so forth, plus a few native horsemen and Zulu-type warriors in the role of hostile local populations. These sculpts might be fun to use for test purposes in your prototype game. You can buy the miniatures in boxed sets, separately from the game itself (see the Eagle Games website for details: http://www.eaglegames.net/SearchResults.asp?Search=imperialism).
@CWO:
Dreadnought battleships could be a tech upgrade from pre-Dreadnought ironclads. In real life, they were introduced in 1906. Good idea to have armoured cars rather than tanks, since tanks didn’t exist until WWI.
“War: Age of Imperialism” from Eagle Games has some reasonably decent plastic ironclads (complete with a ramming spur at the bow), and various types colonial-looking troops with pith helmets and so forth, plus a few native horsemen and Zulu-type warriors in the role of hostile local populations. These sculpts might be fun to use for test purposes in your prototype game. You can buy the miniatures in boxed sets, separately from the game itself (see the Eagle Games website for details: http://www.eaglegames.net/SearchResults.asp?Search=imperialism).
Yes I took a look at those and they look decent. They only have one ship unit though. And I DONT think I have the capability to make plastic units. Unless someone else wants to make units (Coachofmany? Field Marshal Games?). The best thing I can think of is to get those Eagle games minatures combined with axis and allies Naval and air units and some others, paint them and hope they look nice.
I will TRY to make a map though. Any one know good programs for that? Or a way to modify that 1939 map thats floating around? I would like to make a nice map with somthing other than the paint program on my computer…
Infantry
Infantry kneeling with Machine gun ( entrenched infantry) Note: this can be a counter and not a ‘piece’
Artillery
Cavalry
Rail Gun ( tech)
Bi-plane ( tech)
Tank ( tech)
what else?
just stick to land units and air, then naval.
@Imperious:
Infantry
Infantry kneeling with Machine gun ( entrenched infantry) Note: this can be a counter and not a ‘piece’
Artillery
Cavalry
Rail Gun ( tech)
Bi-plane ( tech)
Tank ( tech)
what else?just stick to land units and air, then naval.
Part of me really thinks that Armored Cars should be included, due to their presence in some armies before World War 1. But this also might add complication.
@Imperious:
Wait: slow down just establish the land and air units, then the values
then naval, so on.
Need somebody to research the economic potency of these nations around 1900 or at worst 1914 ( use GDP)
Then we need research on who had what and where
etc… Research first, then design
http://axisandallies.wikia.com/wiki/GDP_1913
Found this helpful for GDP. 1900 GDP was hard to find, and I could only locate some statistics about Eurpoean specific GDP per capita from 1900. Now unit placement, we should have it as 1898 right?
Using this date, we can easily do American and Spanish set-ups due to the onset of the Spanish American war and battles that chronicle naval and ground strength. For the rest, its gonna take a little time. We know about the Japanese-Russian War, so that adds some help, and we also know about the sramble for Africa where lots of European soldiers were in Africa. This is a good start.
How many years would it cover, till the great war or beyond?
Ok armored cars but as a military unit, not really used before 1900.
I think the piece inventory should be minimal…something like MB AA…generic pieces for all except infantry ( some infantry using the same molds as well)
What would the values be on the land units??
Armored cars should be tech based unit.
The game should start about 1890-1895, but depends on what was available. it should look like WW1, but be also before all the inventions like planes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)
Thinking use 1890 figures and divide by 15 to get IPC totals.
If you were feeling industrious, couldnt you make it go up to at least ww2, and make it kind of like sid meiers civilization? If it went past that you could use for some of the more modern units a&a pieces and for futuristic units pieces from games like starwars risk and risk 2210.
@Imperious:
Ok armored cars but as a military unit, not really used before 1900.
I think the piece inventory should be minimal…something like MB AA…generic pieces for all except infantry ( some infantry using the same molds as well)
What would the values be on the land units??
Armored cars should be tech based unit.
The game should start about 1890-1895, but depends on what was available. it should look like WW1, but be also before all the inventions like planes.
True. That would most likely be easiest. I think we should make a 1898 Scenario, but also an WW1 scenario for the game if there is time. This could add massive versatility.
@Imperious:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)
Thinking use 1890 figures and divide by 15 to get IPC totals.
Yes I did see this on Wikipedia, but it didnt include places like Turkey or Japan for 1890. And when I divided those numbers by 15, I got huge numbers. France had 19,758 for GNP, divided by 15 I got 1,317. Did I do this wrong Im guessing? Its gonna be tricky transferring total GDP into IPCs. But looking at the numbers I have a hunch the U.S and U.K are gonna be the powerhouses.
Yes on the GDP ill have to find out the magic number. I found the formula on how Larry made his games but my notes have to be located. I was relying on memory and 15 stuck in my head. Obviously its not 15.
Ill post tomorrow on this
Did you ever find that specific number Imperious Leader?
based on 1890 IPC should be:
United Kingdom 29
Germany 26
Russia/USSR 21
France 20
Austria-Hungary 15
Italy 9
Spain 5
Belgium 4
Netherlands 2
Switzerland 2
Sweden 2
Portugal 1
Romania 1
Denmark 1
Norway 1
Finland 1
Bulgaria 1
Greece 1
Serbia 0
Japan ?
USA?
I found my notes. The magic number is: 16.58 divided by GDP based on 1990 dollars.
I can’t find my notes on why this number came about.
So USA in 1941 is basically 800 GDP, which is 48 IPC
Germany in 1941 is about 485, or 29 IPC
Alright, so IPC ammounts are taken care of essentially.
For U.S, China, and Japan I would use maybe the GDP from 1900 on the table with 1960 dollars on wikipedia. Probably as close as we will get. And I dont know what to do for the Ottomans.
well we got to do better than that. What are the numbers in 1960 dollars from 1890?
I stand corrected. The GDP listed on wikipedia doesnt have 1900 for 1960 dollars for China Japan or U.S. Rather it has either 1870 or 1913 as years with GDP for those countries in 1990 international dollars. Technically from 1870 to 1913, you would think GDP would only increase, which gives us an option to maybe calculate those countries GDP roughly by like finding a GDP value in between. Whats your call Imperious Leader?
More research. We can’t just invent numbers that look good, they have to be based on fact. All the other values are spot on. Keep looking for the missing pieces.
Also, we need land unit values…
@Imperious:
More research. We can’t just invent numbers that look good, they have to be based on fact. All the other values are spot on. Keep looking for the missing pieces.
Also, we need land unit values…
Alright, just giving us an option in case we cant find this information.
So basic land units were:
Infantry 2IPCs? Most countries had armies largely made of infantry, and these were the main forces. Cost should be smaller than regular Axis and Allies.
Infantry kneeling with Machine gun ( entrenched infantry) 3 IPCs?
Artillery 4 IPCs?
Cavalry 5 or 4 IPCs?
Rail Gun ( tech)
Bi-plane ( tech)
Tank ( tech)
These tech pieces need to be exspensive, but not too much.
