@mantlefan:
The problem is that you state without any real justification or consideration that the 12 IPC must be spent on fleet. 4 IPC can be used for some good things elsewhere, no?
Oh, please. Yes, he wanted to protect his fleet and 4 IPC spent on an artillery unit doesn’t do that! Duh! No transports, no getting units off the island!
Creating situations that ignore relevant facts (such as the fact that IPC can be used elsewhere and the point in the game when cruisers would actualy really start ot pay off). to make cruisers seem more useful really doesn’t address any potentially helpful issue.
Oh, and you’re helpful. You just like to argue.
Using cruisers one already has effectively and BUYING cruisers are separate issues. Obviously if one already has it they should maximize its utility. In terms of it being too late for the opponent to attack your navy it’s true that it destroyers do no good, but at that point even though cruisers do marginally more good,it doesn’t MATTER.
Yes, you’re right until the last statement. It does matter, because in Global you could be losing in one theater and winning in the other, and you need to win in that theater fast. Cruisers will help you win the game there. Destroyers will not.
It’s also annoying how your case that seems like cruisers are a better buy 1% of the time is somehow totally dismissive of them being a bad buy 99% of the time.
I disagree with the premise that cruisers are a bad buy 99% of the time.
That % where it is a bad buy pretty much means we have a unit which is effectifely useless to buy, which I guess is similar to AA guns, so it’s not inherently bad, but, if you look at how often crusiers are bought, and think there is value in having more types of units, then it might be helpful to at least admit that it might be a good thing that cruisers might be more useful.
Why are you talking here? We don’t make the rules. Go talk to Larry. Meanwhile, I will enjoy the opportunity to buy cruisers occasionally and you will continue to “suffer”, I guess. Jeez, man. Get over it.
Just because they are not TOTALLY useless buys doesn’t mean they are not EFFECTIVELY useless buys. I don’t want to sandbag the game with too many more changes, but getting cruisers more useful is a valid wish because they are effectively useless buys, and the more options the player has, the better.
<sigh> Look, do you realize I don’t care if I convince anyone? I don’t care if you don’t listen to me. I understand you just badly want to feel good about buying cruisers. Sorry, don’t feel like reiterating all the points I’ve made on other threads. But basically, there is more to think about than 8 vs. 12, as I already stated and you apparently ignored. Talk about not helpful, you don’t address any of the issues I raise, you just come out and state like it’s a proven fact that “one percent of the time” cruisers are a good buy.
There are situations. Limited production situations are one example. When your factory is damaged, cruisers cost 13 and destroyers cost 9. Some people play with tech. You get 2 IPC’s off a cruiser and 1 off a destroyer. So if you have imp shipyards and your factory is damaged, you’re looking at 8 for a destroyer, and 11 for a cruiser. There are different situations. How about the limited production situations? You have a factory that can only produce 3 units and you want fleet power. You don’t have fighters in the area, and you just need enough to protect a transport against a bomber. Do you want to buy a destroyer? A cruiser? A battleship? Nice to have the cruiser option.
Did you not read anything I wrote about the subs and aircraft issues? No, you just come out and say 99% of the time cruisers are a bad buy. How helpful. I’ll tell you what’s annoying, is people like you who just like to argue online. You just enjoy bashing people’s opinions, and it’s ironic that you say I’m not being helpful when that’s all I’m trying to do, and I’m providing discussion about various game situations, and you just come in and lob criticisms.
Easier to throw rocks at sand castles then to build them, I guess. And for many, it’s more fun. :roll:
I’m not putting my thoughts out there for the purpose of argument. I’m putting them out there for people to consider and talk about.</sigh>