S02 - Gamerman01 (axis) vs. DutchmanD (allies +13)

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    You also cannot transport units from Baltic States to England.

    Well, your turn is pretty messed up, then.  I’ll wait for you to fix it, within the confines of the rules.  You can’t change any combat movement, but you will have to change your noncombat to make it legal.  Basically none of the ground units on Baltic States can be transported or even board transports because the transports were considered participants in the Z5 battle.  Don’t worry about the illegal carrier move - I just mentioned it for your future benefit.

    I guess I have to wait and can’t do Italy until you’re legal.  Figured something like this would happen, but there was no sense warning you before the turn - I’d rather have you screw it up if you didn’t know the rules.

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    One more thing -

    You have 4 transports in Z7 (one moved legally during a combat move on NWE).
    You have 4 transports in Z5 (all 4 are frozen since they were not moved away from Z5 in a combat move).

    Here’s the map I have.  You have 5 infantry and 3 artillery on Baltic States that you can either leave there, move to Karelia, or move to Bel.

    Like I said, change whatever noncombat moves you want, but I don’t think you can expect to change any combat moves or purchases since you’ve rolled a bunch of (fortunate  :-P) combat dice.

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    map

    11duk.AAM

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    @gamerman01:

    You have 4 transports in Z7 (one moved legally during a combat move on NWE).
    You have 4 transports in Z5 (all 4 are frozen since they were not moved away from Z5 in a combat move).

    OK, this morning I realize it’s inconsistent to allow the carrier to move but not the transport, since if you wanted to move them both to Z7 you had to move them both during the combat movement phase.

    For this particular issue (transport and carrier to 7) I’m going to consult with a moderator for advice on a fair way to resolve.  Unless, of course, you agree that you should leave everything in Z5 which I doubt you will want to do.

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    Then again, it is not inconsistent to allow the carrier move but not the transport.

    You didn’t roll the carrier (while it was technically present in Z5) which made it clear of your intent to move it, even though you didn’t move it as the rules require.

    However, the issue of the transport move to Z5 is a different matter, because it can’t roll dice anyway.

    Whenever you see this stuff, please reply with your opinions and position, and we will need a moderator’s help to sort this out.  (Would have been nice if you followed the rules properly, and we could have avoided all this confusion)

    See page 14 of the rulebook “Sea Units Starting in Hostile Sea Zones”.  You have 4 options for your units in Z5 at the start of your turn, as clearly delineated in the rules.  The movements you made of the carrier, the transport, and then loading units on transports in Z5 were all illegal in light of the rules on page 14.  (Not the transport that took NWE - that is perfectly legal, as seen in bullet point #2 on page 14)

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    Looking at it….

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    @DutchmanD:

    Looking at it….

    OK, great, thanks for posting.

    Sorry about all the info all at once - you’re kind of reading my thought processes, I guess.
    If you don’t like all of my conclusions, just post your thoughts and counteroffer, and we’ll go from there.  If we can’t agree on a common resolution, then we’ll have to have a moderator weigh in.  But the rules on page 14 are what govern this situation, I believe.

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    The AC move should have been stated during Combat Movement phase, as it did not fire. The battle in z5 was a forgone conclusion with the attacker winning 5,000 out of 5,000. It’s presence had no bering on the combat.

    The tnps are stuck where they are I guess. The previously picked-up units will go to Kar with the rest of the bunch.  The non-com tnp that went to z7 will stay in z5 too.

    We can run it by a moderator if this is not acceptable.

    11duk.AAM

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    @DutchmanD:

    The AC move should have been stated during Combat Movement phase, as it did not fire. The battle in z5 was a forgone conclusion with the attacker winning 5,000 out of 5,000. It’s presence had no bering on the combat.

    The tnps are stuck where they are I guess. The previously picked-up units will go to Kar with the rest of the bunch.  The non-com tnp that went to z7 will stay in z5 too.

    We can run it by a moderator if this is not acceptable.

    No, that is precisely what I meant.  Thanks for the prompt correction - I can proceed with Italy then.

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    I11 with 17, buy 4 INF, ART (save 1)

    Combat moves -
    Blk - 2 INF (Ita) 2 ARM (Bul) INF (Ger)
    NWE - 2 INF (Fra)

    BlkDiceRolls: 3@1 2@3; Total Hits: 23@1: (4, 1, 1)2@3: (6, 5)DiceRolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (6)

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    Sorry, didn’t look back to see your latest proposed solution.

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    Gonna be your turn again real soon!

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    NWE
    Brave Italians will retreat immediately if hit once
    DiceRolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (3, 5)DiceRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (5)
    NWE2DiceRolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (5, 5)DiceRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)
    NWE3DiceRolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (4, 5)DiceRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

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    NWE4DiceRolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (2, 3)DiceRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)
    NWE5DiceRolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (2, 4)DiceRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)
    NWE6DiceRolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 12@1: (5, 1)DiceRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    1 INF retreats to France

    Ger - 2 INF (Fra)
    Bul - INF (EPl)
    Per - 4 INF, 2 ARM (Cau) ARM (Ukr)

    Collect 17, 18 on hand

    I think I was only counting on 2 fighters being able to hit Blk - did not consider US carrier during G11.  And then the dice amplified the damage, after you properly exploited the opportunity.  wp

    11Eita.AAM

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    posting today…

  • 10

    US 11

    has $46

    Purchases
    1 tnp
    4 subs
    1 AC
    Save $1

    Combat Moves
    Sumatra
    1 inf, 1 arm NG

    Aus
    1 art NG, end z41

    Sudan
    2 inf, 1 arm Egypt
    bom Moscow

    Combat
    Sudan
    A:
    DiceRolls: 2@1 1@3 1@4; Total Hits: 12@1: (2, 5)1@3: (4)1@4: (3)

    D:
    DiceRolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 12@2: (2, 6)

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    each side loses an inf

    Round 2
    A:
    DiceRolls: 1@1 1@3 1@4; Total Hits: 21@1: (3)1@3: (1)1@4: (4)

    D:
    DiceRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

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    Sudan taken with 1 inf, 1 arm + 1 bom

    NonCom
    fleet z48, 46 > z38
    1 dd z56 > z46
    ftr WUS > Sol Is
    bom lands Lib
    aa gun Egypt > Lib

    Mobilization
    4 subs, AC, tnp z56

    Collect $43+1
    Has $44

    11Fus.AAM

  • 25 24 23 22 15 11 10 Official Q&A Mod

    G12 with 43, buy 13 INF, ART

    Combat moves -
    Rus - SBR X 2 (Ind)
    Pol - ARM (EPl) blitz BSt
    Pol - ART (Cze) INF (Bul) 2 INF (EPl) 2 INF (Ger)
    NWE - 2 INF (Fra) ART (Ger)

    Rus AADiceRolls: 2@1; Total Hits: 02@1: (2, 5)

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