WW3

[Tigerman77]

@De:

ICBMs use reular plastic AA gun Pieces. You can also take U.S pieces from Revised and use them for African Tanks, Artillery, and Fighters as an optional rule. All fo South America and Sweden is Pro-Western Neutrals. Iraq is Pro-East Neutral.

Go to Historicalboardgaming.com and get the V-2 rockets for the ICBM’s

[Pvt.Ryan]

Excellent I love this setup! Too bad we have to use nations like China for Africa but thats a small price to pay for a good game!

[De Gaulle]

@Tigerman77:

@De:

ICBMs use reular plastic AA gun Pieces. You can also take U.S pieces from Revised and use them for African Tanks, Artillery, and Fighters as an optional rule. All fo South America and Sweden is Pro-Western Neutrals. Iraq is Pro-East Neutral.

Go to Historicalboardgaming.com and get the V-2 rockets for the ICBM’s

He sells those? That is fantastic! Thank you Tigerman77! I was hoping to find a better substitute other than AA guns.
And Pvt. Ryan Im sorry about the African pieces. You are free to use other peices you like, I just used what I had available. And it might help to take some Russian, German, and U.S pieces from Spring 42’ to bolster your piece count. Mostly its just 1940 has a lack of badly needed naval pieces for Germany and Russia that are important in the WW3 game for the U.S.S.R and NATO .

[Pvt.Ryan]

Yeah fortunately I own 1942. I’m thinking of using Italy for NATO though, I like their pieces better. So when are the ploitical rules coming? I’m interested on the ICBMs.

[De Gaulle]

Alright here are political rules, along with rule changes:

EDIT: Neutral Territories
Areas with no set up documented are strict neutrals unless otherwise stated. There values remain the same, and that value also represents the ammount of infantry defending the territory. Like Greater Southern Germany or India. Territories who are neutral in 1940 and still are, retain their regular infantry defense. That includes areas like Saudi Arabia, and Finland, or Afghanistan. There is no penalty for attacking neutrals, other than if the infantry defending survive, they are usable by other side. Pacific islands that are French, American, or British reamain under their control and are their territories.

EDIT: Game Start
The only ones at war at the games start are Africa and France over Algeria, made to represent the Algerian war for independance. All other nations are not and its up to the players to start the conflict.

EDIT: Victory Conditons
To acheive Victory, the west must control Shanghai, Moscow, and capture all original Warsaw Pact territories (Poland, East Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary Etc. This also renders the Warsaw Pact unable to purchase units and collect income, just like losing its capital if it had one).
The East must control Washington D.C, Paris, London, Sydney and capture all original NATO territories ( West Germany, Holland-Belgium, Turkey, Spain, Etc. This also renders NATO unable to purchase units or collect income, just like losing its captial if it had one) excluding African ones.
PRC capital is Shanghai.
Russia is Moscow.
France is Paris.
U.K is London.
U.S is Washington D.C.
Pacific Allies is Sydney.
Africa has no capital and is out of the game once losing all its territories in Africa.

EDIT: Areas such as Korea and French Indochina have enemy factions controlling them. This is meant to represent North vs. South situations. The Pacific Allies and China both collect the said territories income. Its not divided or anything. They both recieve the territories regular income. If one attacks the other, National production does not increase for the victor, but decreases for the loser.

U.S, U.K, France, and NATO are drawn together under the mutual defence pact which is NATO. Any attack on one of these members is a declaration of war on all members. If a member of NATO attacks on its own, independant of the other members, the other individual members are not drawn to war unless they wish it.

Warsaw Pact and The Soviet Union are also under the same terms as NATO.
China is allied with Warsaw Pact and The Soviet Union, but they dont have to go to war if the Soviets or Warsaw Pact are attacked. The Soviets and Warsaw pact also do not have to go to war if China is attacked. But the option for going to war remains for all.

Pacific Allies are protected by the U.S, France, and U.K. Thus any attack on Pacific Allies is a declaration of war on the U.S, U.K, and France and vice versa.

Africa is at war with France. As is France with Africa. If Algeria is taken by Africa the war between the two ends, if France holds Algeria for 4 rounds the war ends. If Africa becomes under allegiance to the west, the war also ends.

Africa is neutral with all other countries unless attacked by one, in which case it becomes allied to the opposing team. For example, if China assaults Africa, Africa becomes an allie of all Western countries, including Pacific Allies. Unless under allegiance to one side, Africa is prohibited from departing Africa. Once under Allegiance to one side, they are allowed to leave. Africa is also not allowed to purchase sea units (Optional: until under allegiance. In which case it may purchase Destroyers and Transports only) . Africa has no factories, they function similar to China in Pacific 1940, in which they place purchased units in any territory under their control. NATO members are not at war with Africa even though France is. Africa may also be drawn into becoming a member of either East or West through the competing teams completing National Objectives.

Submarines now cost 16 IPCs
They attack on 4 and defend on 2
All other Submarine rules still apply

Battleships now cost 35 IPCs
They attack on 5 and defend on 4

Aircraft Carriers are now 22 IPCs
Attack and defense is the same as in regular 1940

All other costs remain the same.

Nuke/ICBM Rules:

The ICBM pieces on the board represent Missle Silo locations. An attack by one of these ICBMs does not represent a single nuclear warhead detonation, rather an nuclear attack on military targets in the whole territory. So ICBMs are launched in the opening fire step. The targets can be anything. Naval armadas, massive ground forces storming towards your capital, or anything you may desire. But it must be specific to one territory or seazone. If forces on an coastal territory are attacked, the naval forces that are in the sea zone next to it are unaffected. And vice versa. The attack is conducted with 5 dice, with hits of 5 or less. AA guns may shoot down war heads, when facing ICBM attacks. U.S, and Russian AA guns increase to defenses of 2 to represnt NORAD and Russian missle deterences. All other nations remain at 1s. If the AA gun is successful, the attack failed and no harm is done. If the attack succeeds, the attacker rolls, and the defender distributes the hits. The affected territory is rendered impassible for 2 turns, the country affected loses that territoriy’s income for 2 turns, factorys, airbases, and naval bases are unuseable in that territory for 2 turns,and any units on land territories must reamain there for 2 turns and are not allowed to leave, including planes. Also one unit must die every turn for the two turns from radiation. If there are no more units, that rule is ignored. AA guns within territories defend seazones next to the territory as well, and can shoot down ICBMs that are aimed at ships. ICBM attacks on sea zones are done in the same way with the rolling of 5 dice on hits of 5 or less. ICBM affected sea zones with surviving ships cause those ships to exit to another seazone that is within 1 space. The attacked seazone is impassible for 2 turns. Submerged subs are unaffected by nuclear attacks. More than 1 ICBM is allowed in a territory. They can be placed in any contolled territory of that power after purchase, they do not have to be placed next to factories.
EACH INDIVIDUAL ICBM CAN ONLY BE FIRED EVERY 2 TURNS AFTER IT IS FIRST FIRED!!!
Cost: 45 (Availible to purchase by every conutry, except Africa)
Attack: 5 ( with 5 dice, I use a D6 system)
Defense: 5 ( Silos are almost impenetrable, hidden deep under ground)
Range: 15
Move: No.
ICBMs take two hits to kill, and can be repaired if taken a hit, by paying 20 IPCs. Place a gray chip under the ICBM to show its damaged. They cannot be captured, and are destroyed after taking two hits. Any unit may attack ICBMs except for naval units(even offshore bombardment). If a territory containg an ICBM is hit with another ICBM, that ICBM is unaffected and able to be used.

[poloplayer15]

hey De Gaulle, who gets the ipcs for the conflict areas, like Korea and french Indochina. also theirs no setup for greater southern Germany. it would be nice as well if you included a list of the starting territories for each country. just a thought. like it a lot though!! keep it up

[Hobbes]

Hi. One thing I noted missing from your set-up: Angola and Mozambique were colonies of Portugal (as well as Portuguese Guinea) until 1974. They all had guerrilla independence movements starting on 1963, so you might want to give them some similar rules as Algeria.

[De Gaulle]

Hmmm. You make a point. I want to include this because it is historical, but I just think the remoteness of the territories (Southern Africa), the number of African Infantry facing any force there, along with added complexity by including NATO fighting Africa, might be a hamper. Well, if NATO forces were allowed to only defend the territories of Mozambique and Angola, strictly defend with no attacks into any other parts of Africa, for 4 rounds like France, causing the war to end unless Africa is allied with one side or defeats NATO forces, I see this working. Alright, I will take it into consdieration and test the idea. Thanks Hobbes!

[boboshonda]

Very exciting.  I like this idea very much.  Are the Nuke rules coming?  I really want to try this.

I’ve been working on a what if the USA and Russia just kept fighting each other after the defeat of Germany.  I hope to post something soon.

I also have a crazy variant I’m working on where there can be random Zombie outbreaks during a regular A&A 1940 game.  Kind of a tech upgrade gone bad idea.  So if anyone is interested in either of those let me know and I will start a thread so as to not hi jack this thread.

Anyways.  I really want to try this variant, so keep the rules coming.  Thanks for your hard work!

[De Gaulle]

Nuke rules have been posted along with most of the new rules. See previous page.

[poloplayer15]

tried playing last night. we didnt like the nuke rules or the whole africa thing. both were a little hard to understand and kinda complicated. set up as pretty cool though.

[De Gaulle]

Yes the game still nedds some polishing. I played last night as well and its a long game. I apoligize if the nuke rules and Africa were hard. I realized Africa might just have to be scrapped. Instead just make most of Africa as neutral. Thanks for playing the game though! Im glad some people are trying it! Could you give me some input for improvements?

[poloplayer15]

sure. the one thing we noticed right away was that the nukes are only good for defense. example, in our game Germany, west Germany, Poland, japan, turkey, and i think Russia were all nuked. so for 2 turns Europe was a dead lock, and it left the US UK and France to start taking territory or get into position to take territory. as i said set up is good except Africa… make it mostly neutral. France and Britain are both economically weak so it is a problem since the USA is the only ally with sustainable income.

[De Gaulle]

The Nuke attack in Europe is exactly what happened to me in both my games! Due to the large amount of forces present, no one wants to start anything for fear of being annihilated. I think Africa could be more handy if they were on a side, but overall they should remain neutral like you said. The income of Britain and France and Russsia was supposed to be fixed by giving them simple national objectives that compensate for their lack of income. But I have yet to make any except some I jotted down for my last game with my group. When I have time I will add some. I have a map Im working on that will fix income and enlarge teritories, but it still needs work and time. Thank you for the valuable input poloplayer! Sorry for the things you didnt like and Im glad you like the set up.

[poloplayer15]

your welcome. if you want any tips, i know that dannyboy216 is also working on a cold war scenario that takes place in the 60s. maybe you could talk to him, his 1947 scenario was great. he does really good NOs. some people really like the amount of navy that both sides have. keep it up